As part of the long slow process of fleshing out the Cipher Foundation’s website, I’ve added a new page there laying out the core evidence relating to the Anthon Transcript, a cipher-like document that sits right at the heart of the foundation history / mythology of the Mormon Church.

The short (non-TL;DR) version is that even though it has long been claimed that the Anthon Transcript (shown to Professor Charles Anthon in 1828) and the Caractors fragment are one and the same, a photograph that was unearthed in Clay County Museum in Missouri in 2012 seems to disprove this whole notion. Hmmm.

All the same, people continue to build high-rise cipher theories on top of this unsupportive sandy loam. Most recently, Jerry Grover announced his own fairly epic (251 pages of argument) Caractors translation, that renders the first four lines as:

In the nineteenth regnal year of Mosiah I, the Nephites traveled over the mountains to the foreign speaking people of Mulek. These twenty thousand ‘children of Mosiah’ traveled downriver on the east side of the River Sidon [Grijalva] for eighty days and reached Zarahemla. And then it came to pass that after ten years thus began the period of the Seven Tribes. After the space of twenty-one more years had passed, Zeniff, with sixty of his people, departed. Fifty-three more years then passed; then the Limhiites obtained twenty-four plates from the west in the Land of Desolation, returning upriver on the River of Lamanite Possessions [Usumacinta]. After their return upriver, seven years later, the Limhiites traveled west, bringing the pure gold Jaredite plates to Mosiah (II), which he translated. Previous to the arrival of the Limhiites, Benjamin was made King in the second month of the four hundred and thirty-sixth year after Lehi left Jerusalem. At the age of eighty-three, King Benjamin ascended to eternity, which was four hundred seventy nine years after Lehi left Jerusalem. King Benjamin’s death occurred one and one third years before the arrival of the Limhites. Four years before the arrival of the Limhites, the period of the Seven Tribes ended in conjunction with the Jubilee Year.

Personally, I’d assess the probability that this is correct is roughly the same as a truck load of lobsters falling out of a clear blue sky into my garden: in that I can conceive that it is (just about) possible and (broadly) consistent with the laws of physics, but (etc etc etc).

More generally, I’d offer this as a stark warning to idiot Voynich linguists such as Stephen Bax, as the kind of ultimate destination their foolish non-theorizing will ultimately lead them to.

23 thoughts on “The Anthon Transcript evidence…

  1. bdid1dr on October 11, 2015 at 2:28 pm said:

    The Anthon Transcript is Mormon-related. I have no further comment to make, except to say ‘watch your back’. Although the recent radical leader died in prison, things can still get very strange (and dangerous) for women and children.

  2. bdid1dr: as long as we all stick to the evidence, we should be fine by everyone’s God, shouldn’t we?

  3. boyfriend , Champollion,,. :-) on October 11, 2015 at 3:26 pm said:

    The author of the text learn the alphabet and Jewish substitution.

  4. boyfriend , Champollion,,. :-) on October 11, 2015 at 3:41 pm said:

    Caractors ( Meaning characters).
    Great characters 4 line.

    …. DMT, = 4 ( substitution gematrie numbers 4).
    ( AH ?) M = !!!! ( M = 4).
    He continues : SLCG 3 ( substitution gematrie number 3)

    The author of the text learn the alphabet and substitution.

    The text appears to be read from right to left.
    This is shown by the numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.
    ( 5+1 = 6), (O = 7).

    Characters 4 line in the numbers.
    7,6,1,5, ….DMT ( 1H) M !!!!SLCG 3 / 2 TH. 1Q

    Your boyfriend. 🙂

  5. boyfriend , Champollion,,. :-) on October 14, 2015 at 4:35 pm said:

    Friend + bdid 1dr. ( Mormon dangerous ?).

    In it you Bdid 1dr right. I looked for sings in detail. And he discovered that the code is not so complicated. In his text is written.

    Where he is buried, Jesus of Nazareth. So of course there is some danger. The top line numbers are written. They are the same as on the tombstone of Lord Lichfild of Shugborough.
    The inscription on the monument. O,U,O,S.V,A,V,V.
    Left and right letters D,M.

    For these characters, the calculated position. (coordinates).
    Where Jesus is buried.

    I convert letters to numbers :
    (D) O,U,O,S,V,A,V,V (M) = (4)7,6,7,3,6,1,6,6, (4).

    The key numbers are ,4,,,, 76,73,61,66,,,,4.

    Abbe Sauniere and abbe Boudet understood and deciphered the inscription.

    It is mathematical puzzle. ( rebus ).
    The key is in Europe a few. I found keys six.

    1 line Mormons :
    CCI = 61 ( C=3 +3 =6) ( I = 1) = 61.
    ZC = 73 ( Z = 7, C= 3 ) = 73.
    4 I T !!!! = ( 4…………4) left and right. ( T = 4).
    LL4 = ( LL =3 +3 = 6,,,,= 64).
    6t = 64 ( t = 4 ) = 64.
    6t A+I = ( 6, t=4, A=1,I=1,,,,64 +1+1 = 66.
    S T U = 76 ( 3 + 4 = 7,,, U = 6 ) = 76.
    LM 3 = 73 ( L = 3,M= 4,,,,3+4 = 7,,,3=3 ) = 73.
    O I 5 = ( O = 7,,I = 1,,,,1+ 5 = 6 ) = 76.

    Key = 4….76,73,61,66,….4.

  6. To understand how the Mormon church evolved you need to study the SECOND GREAT AWAKENING, At the CAMP MEETINGS there were many ministers and to hold the followers you had to have the latest and greatest ideas. The best expert on the early mormon religion would be Mark Hofmann. How and why did Mark Hofmann forge the Anthon Transcript.

    “I know of no country . . . where the love of money has taken stronger hold on the affections of men [than in the United States].”

  7. More generally, I’d offer this as a stark warning to idiot Voynich linguists such as Stephen Bax, as the kind of ultimate destination their foolish non-theorizing would lead to
    ^
    why such a strong negative opinion on bax? what is wrong with his thesis

  8. I wonder if there is/was a link between these “Caractors” and the Deseret alphabet?

  9. bdid1dr on October 18, 2015 at 3:06 pm said:

    Any Mormon Church’s “Family History Center” will give you a copy, free of charge, of the “Book of Mormon”. The pairs of young men (dressed in black jacket, white shirt and tie, and black slacks, and shiny black shoes) used to go door-to-door. I wonder if they still do.
    One can get a free copy of the “Book” at any Mormon Church and/or “Family History Center”.
    I don’t belong to any denomination. World History is mostly about religious and racial differences (supposedly). It all ‘boils down’ to the extremes of “God’ worship and “empowerment” and acquisition of control of huge populations world-wide.
    As far as I have been able to find out from some of my Mormon friends, Canada still has radical Mormon activities. So, be cautious in dealing with various religious activities in your part of the world (wherever that may be).

  10. bdid1dr on October 18, 2015 at 3:11 pm said:

    Another example of religious fervor are the venomous snake handlers who purposely become immune to the venom by frequent ‘injections’ given by the snake. I’m not talking about India.

  11. boyfriend , Champollion,,. :-) on October 18, 2015 at 8:13 pm said:

    Bdid1dr.
    Something like the men in black. 🙂

    Otherwise the key. We are two. One of the castle Pernštejn. And the second at castle Veveří. There is , of course, demonstrated the presence of Jacob de Mollay.

  12. boyfriend , Champollion,,. :-) on October 19, 2015 at 4:15 pm said:

    Nick and friends.

    Let me show you the key, which is on the Castle Pernštejn.( Czech republic). It is a cryptogram.
    It´s a cross and the letters.
    The letters are :
    I C….X C
    N I….K A

    This means :
    1 3 6 3 ,,,,,,,( I C X C )
    5 1 2 1 ,,,,,,,( N I K A )
    ———————————–

    Important numbers : 1363 and 5121 !
    5121 – 1363 = 3758

    The year 3758 is the Jewish calendar.
    For Christians, it is one year . ( 1 ) It is the year of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth. On the cross is a circle with a cross. This means instead. (coordinates). According to numbers on the cross is calculated as the place where he is buried :
    D……………M. ( 4……..4 ) ( Deus Mesias ).

    Numbers 1363 Abbe Sauniere ffound in the image of Nicolas Poussin,, Shepherds of Arcadia,,.
    When the image look, there´s surely see. That is the main point of the image.
    What can I write a secret. Nobody except Saunier. And he can not solve.
    Between the image and the monument makes a big difference. Solutions have not found Oliver Lawn and his wife.

    Your friend.

  13. boyfriend , Champollion,,. :-) on October 19, 2015 at 4:27 pm said:

    Nick and friends.

    Let me show you the key, which is on the Castle Pernštejn.( Czech republic). It is a cryptogram.
    It´s a cross and the letters.
    The letters are :
    I C….X C
    N I….K A

    This means :
    1 3 6 3 ,,,,,,,( I C X C )
    5 1 2 1 ,,,,,,,( N I K A )
    ———————————–

    Important numbers : 1363 and 5121 !
    5121 – 1363 = 3758

    The year 3758 is the Jewish calendar.
    For Christians, it is one year . ( 1 ) It is the year of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth. On the cross is a circle with a cross. This means instead. (coordinates). According to numbers on the cross is calculated as the place where he is buried :
    D……………M. ( 4……..4 ) ( Deus Mesias ).

    Numbers 1363 Abbe Sauniere found in the image of Nicolas Poussin,, Shepherds of Arcadia,,.
    When the image look, there´s surely see. That is the main point of the image.
    What can I write a secret. Nobody except Saunier. And he can not solve.
    Between the image and the monument makes a big difference. Solutions have not found Oliver Lawn and his wife.

    Your friend.

  14. boyfriend , Champollion,,. :-) on October 19, 2015 at 9:24 pm said:

    Nick soory. Text correction. exsuse me.
    Properly there should be written.
    Saunier solved it. I also solved.

  15. Ken: I don’t believe a connection is likely, simply because the Deseret alphabet was formed by committee some time after the founding of the Mormon Church. But all the same, it did inspire a nice novel which I reviewed here:

    http://ciphermysteries.com/2010/08/16/review-of-latayne-c-scotts-latter-day-cipher

  16. bdid1dr on October 22, 2015 at 2:59 pm said:

    Nick, once again I refer you to the “Mountain Meadows” massacre; and the subsequent execution of John Lee.

    So, now I’m going to visit the link you’ve posted herein.
    Thanx!

  17. In 1980, Mark Hofmann created and sold the Anthon Transcript  to the LDS. Any other copy of Joseph Smiths writings would be held by the family in the name of the Community of Christ,

  18. Hey, the website is the color of lobsters! Who knows? http://www.bookofmormoncaractorstranslation.com

  19. rick a, roberts on October 28, 2015 at 3:31 am said:

    Upon reading this site I am even more interested now. Some time ago I looked at the Shugborough Inscription Mystery. I believe that this is a Biblical Numeric. ” D O U O S V A V V M = 1000, D = 500, S = 70, O = 11, V = 5, A = 5, and U = 5. The word ” dusam ” = Sleeping (Ve = Sleeping 37), Ve = VAVV, Vaff = VAVV. Mark 14:37 (King James Version of Bible) AND HE COMETH AND FINDETH THEM SLEEPING AND SAID UNTO (Peter) SIMON,” SLEEPEST THOU? COULDEST NOT THOU WATCH ONE HOUR “? OOVVV = 37. Matthew 1 KJV, UAVVV = 25. Geneology 25 Lines from Abraham to JESUS. Abraham was promised that CHRIST WOULD SHOULD DESCEND FROM HIM. Nicolas Poussin, 15 JUNE, 1594 – 19 NOVEMBER, 1665. “Les Bergers d’Acadie 1748. The start of the “GREAT WAR”, was in 1617 to 1648. I believe that this Monument celebrates the BIRTH OF CHRIST and it commemorates the Thirty Year War (Great War).

  20. rick a. roberts on October 31, 2015 at 7:04 am said:

    In my previous post on this site, ” M ” = 1000. Simon (Peter) and the Shepherds of Arcadia fell asleep on their watch of the flock of sheep as found in Mark 14:37 in the King James Version of THE BIBLE . The Roman Numerals add up to a sum of 1617, the year that the ” Great War “, started. JESUS CHRIST descended from Abraham as was promised (Matthew 1 KJV). Does anyone have any thoughts on my work? I’d like to hear what others think and believe about The Shugborough Inscription. Thank you very much.

  21. Jerry: I’ve already included a link to your website (and my garden still has not even one lobster). Please don’t spam your comment links onto my other pages, thanks.

  22. Sorry about that Nick, I was attempting to address the different threads that I thought might have interest. I’m not marketing anything, so don’t have that intent. My apologies.

    Jerry

  23. bdid1dr on November 30, 2015 at 5:04 pm said:

    Sorry, Nick, I should have known better than to even hint at the doings of the Radical LDS. Also my apologies to any Mormon correspondent who may be reviewing Nick’s very temperate and fascinating topics/pages.
    bd

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