Tamam Shud / Somerton Man

On the morning of 1st December 1948, an unidentified man was found dead on Somerton Beach just south of Adelaide: he is usually referred to as “The Somerton Man” or sometimes “The Unknown Man”.

Somerton-Man-head

Six weeks later, a suitcase apparently containing the same man’s property was retrieved from Adelaide Railway Station’s cloakroom, where it had been deposited at around 11am the day before his death. However, apart from three items marked “Kean”, “Keane”, and “T. Keane” (nobody with that name was missing), nothing indicating the man’s identity was found in those belongings.

t-keane-tie

Tucked into a tiny fob pocket in the dead man’s trousers was a small scrap of printed paper ripped out of a book: mysteriously, it contained the Persian phrase Tamam Shud (i.e. “It Is Ended”, or “The End”).

Actual-tamam-shud

This was quickly recognized as being the final words of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, quite a popular book at the time. And then some months later, a particular copy of the Rubaiyat surfaced with part of the final “Tamam Shud” page removed: it was claimed that the book had been thrown into a car parked near the same beach where the man had been found.

The Writing

At this point, the mystery of the case was compounded by the discovery of some faint writing on the rear page of the book. This included a local phone number (“X3239”), and several lines of cipher-like writing. Careful analysis of this suggests that it is more likely to be an ‘acrostic’ (i.e. the first letters of a text or poem, possibly as a mnemonic aid for remembering it) than a cipher, because its letter frequencies are more similar to the letter frequencies of the first letters of English words than to those of normal English text.

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The phone number X3239 turned out to be that of a nurse called Jessica Ellen Thomson (née Harkness) living at 90A Glenelg Street, not far from the same beach. When quizzed by the police at the time, she said that she did not know who the deceased was. All the same, when she was later shown the plaster cast bust of the dead man, she was “Completely taken aback, to the point of giving the appearance that she was about to faint” (Feltus, p.178), giving rise to a strong suspicion that she knew more than she was letting on.

She did tell police that she had independently given a copy of the Rubaiyat to a man called Alfred Boxall, who she had met at the Clifton Gardens Hotel in Sydney in 1944 while she was training to be a nurse at the nearby Royal North Shore Hospital. However, Boxall quickly proved to be very much alive and living in Maroubra (and not the dead man found on the beach), leaving both him and the police somewhat baffled.

Just Jestyn?

Up until Thomson’s death in 2005, this was as much as anyone knew. However, in a 2013 interview for the Australian “60 Minutes” current affairs TV programme, her daughter Kate revealed that her mother had told her that she indeed did know more about the Somerton Man, but had deliberately not revealed it to police. She also revealed that her mother was able to speak Russian; suggested that her mother may have been involved in some spy-related activity; and that her mother thought that the whole Somerton Man affair was above “a State Police level”. This has, of course, unleashed a torrent of speculation, though with not a shred of external evidence to back any of it up.

Also: one unusual feature of Boxall’s copy of the Rubaiyat is that the nurse had apparently signed it “Jestyn”, though her name at the time was actually Jessica Ellen Harkness. By way of resolution, Kate recently commented that:

When nursing, all the other nursing pals in her year called her tina because she was only 4ft 11inch and slim. Xmas cards sent to her in her later years from her nursing pals either said dear tina or dear tyna. Seen it as they were put on display at home. mum said its an easy explanation put jess together with tyna and u have Jestyn.

jestyn-signature

Gerry Feltus confirmed that when many years ago he talked to various RNSH nurses who knew Jessie Harkness, they also said that she “sometimes referred to herself as Tina“. However, getting from there to “Jestyn” still seems something of a stretch (if not an outright leap): so perhaps there may yet be more to be uncovered here.

The Sealed Room

In many ways, the whole Tamam Shud case is a perfect murder mystery (‘murder’ insofar as the coroner suspected poisoning but was not able to prove it), to the point that there’s no way of knowing whether a murder actually took place (many people propose suicide as an explanation for many features of the mystery), who the victim was, what the murder weapon was (if indeed it was a murder), or who the perpetrator was.

Yet a curious feature is that despite having been found with his head propped up against the sea wall, the dead man’s body had extensive lividity (blood pooling) at the back of the head, suggesting that his body had spent some considerable time after dying with the head in a quite different position (i.e. lying on its back face up, yet with the head slightly below the rest of the body). Oddly, there was a half-smoked cigarette in his mouth on the beach, which (when taken together with the lividity) would strongly suggest that the corpse had been actively posed by person or persons unknown. This combination of facts would seem to rule out suicide.

Even so, useful and actionable facts about the case remain painfully few, very far between, and continue to be difficult to connect with each other. It’s true that if we could identify the man himself, we might possibly gain enough context to understand his cipher: but based on the evidence we currently have, I think the odds would seem to be strongly against either mystery being resolved any time soon.

…but we shall see!

Resources

* ABC Inside Story documentary, episode “The Somerton Beach Mystery”, first screened Thursday, August 24th, 1978: Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3, all on YouTube. Highly recommended!
* Professor Derek Abbott’s primary evidence page (includes scans of the inquest reports, etc).
* Professor Derek Abbot’s secondary evidence page (includes newspaper reports, transcripts of a 2009 ABC Stateline TV documentary, etc).

Finally: the best book on the whole Tamam Shud mystery is without much doubt Gerry Feltus’ detailed (2010) The Unknown Man. If you want to know more – OK: much, much more – about the Somerton Man, this is surely the first thing you should buy for yourself. It’s a little bit pricey (mainly because of Australian book taxes), true, but well worth the money, in my opinion.

732 thoughts on “Tamam Shud / Somerton Man

  1. Three people wrote on the fly-leaf. How does that rub you?

  2. Brian Miller on January 11, 2014 at 2:32 am said:

    When I first read of this case years ago, I recall, much was made about the particular copy of the Rubiyat found in the car being unique, or matching no known edition. I don’t see anything in the current discussions or articles about that issue. Has that aspect been resolved? Was it a non-issue? Or do I misremember?

  3. How does that rub YOU, Nick?

  4. Petebowes on January 12, 2014 at 3:07 am said:

    earth to dome ..

  5. … nothing there skipper, dome is out of range. Our job is done.

  6. Brian, he’s ignoring you as well. Perhaps this might help, and please remember that I am at your service in these matters.

    By 1889 five editions of the Fitzgerald translation had been loosed by the publishing houses.

    Then there was –

    Graf von Schack, Friedrich von Bodenstedt, Edward Henry Whinfield, J.B. Nicolas, John Leslie Garner, Justin Huntly McCarthy, Richard Le Gallienne, Edward Heron-Allen, Franz Toussaint, A.J. Arberry,Robert Graves, Omar Ali Shah, Peter Avery, John Heath-stubbs, Karim Emami, Ahmed Rami and Ahmad Saidi, all of whom had a shot at translating the old quatrains.

    There were translations into Russian, German, Polish, Swedish, Afrikaans, Malayalam, Telugu, Hindi, Bengali, Oriya, Kannada, Welsh, Italian, Jerriais, Swahili, Cornish, Mandarin, Scottish, Arabian, Thai, Estonian, Dutch, Kurdish, Armenian, Assyrian, Sureth, Syriac, Finnish, Hungarian, Czech, Slovene, Serbo-Croation, Vietnamese, Galician, Bengali, Greek, Sanskrit and Japanese.

    The rubaiyat influenced author Rex Stout, playwright Eugene O’Neill, author Agatha Christie, science fiction writer Lan Wright, composer Granville Bantock, author O. Henry, author H.P. Lovecroft, illustrator Edmund Dulac, filmmaker D.W. Griffith, writer Jose Louis Borges.

    By 1919, 447 editions of Fitzgerald’s translation had been published, and during the first decades of the 20th century, the rubaiyat made its way into nearly every facet of peoples’ lives . A century ago, the average American and certainly every poet writing in English could quote stanzas verbatim. At the turn of the century, Fitzgeralds’ translations mushroomed from an elite phenomenon into a popular sensation.*

    Nevertheless, and despite the fabulous, sustained and worldwide popularity of the book, the fact that a couple of people in Australia were connected to both the book and each other points to a conspiracy so deep, so obscure and so utterly unfathomable it (the conspiracy) may never be understood. May being maybe.

  7. *The Harry Ransom Center, University of Texas website.

  8. Brian: contrary to what hairy-headed Pete would have you believe, I’m not ignoring you, I’ve just been tied up dealing with trolled birth certificates. 🙁

    As far as the Rubaiyat goes, Gerry Feltus devotes a fair amount of effort to it in his Appendix 5. In fact, he devoted a lot of time and effort to tracking down copies that might match the fonts and quatrain numbering etc, but never found one that matched the details released by the police at the time.

    Unfortunately, his further analysis would seem to suggest that many (if not most) of the things presumed true about the particular Rubaiyat may well not be true. For example, the “Tamam Shud” image released to the newspapers at the time may not be quite representative of the original: and there may well have been a name on the rear of the Rubaiyat, but this has never been properly confirmed. It’s a mess, and all the physical evidence seems to have been discarded long ago.

  9. Pete: the “t” in “Jestyn” closely matches the t’s on the rest of the page, so there’s no obvious reason to see those as two hands. Which leaves us the matter of (a) the two inks, and (b) the “e” layer. This is properly a codicological matter (i.e. examining the handwritten document to determine its construction method and sequence) rather than a cryptological matter: so it would perhaps be good to have a closer look at the “Jestyn” signature under a microscope, to try to work out what physically happened before we start getting too speculative about the whys and wherefores etc. 🙂

  10. I shall defend to the tea-break any blogger’s inalienable right to ignore anyone they please!

    .. but only to the tea-break because, when all is said and done, chocolate Jaffa biscuits are the single greatest incentive to harmony that the world has ever known. (excepting religion and IMO and similar caveats).

  11. Diane: mmm… biscuits…

  12. Blind Freddy, Nick ..
    .. he’s just called and said he could see three inks and three different writing styles as well .. asked me to pass it on, he also thinks you have a problem with the nose in front of your face, because there are some things even he can see with his eyes shut.
    That should do it.

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  14. SteveofCaley on March 26, 2014 at 6:52 am said:

    I do enjoy the occasional look at the Somerton Man mystery – it’s all so obscure, isn’t it?
    Has anyone put together a WIKI site to exhaust some of the obvious possibilities? For instance, the couplet of couplets “ABAB” is in the title of the book, “AMAM” and, backwards or forwards, what’s the history of substitution reconstructions? (There’s only 676 in English, most of them absurd.)

  15. Qantessa on March 26, 2014 at 9:09 pm said:

    the [Swearing] [Swearing] did it, [Swearing] the [Swearing]

  16. “Tucked into a tiny fob pocket in the dead man’s trousers”
    Nick: this is shameful, this ‘tiny’ fob pocket. It was a standard fob pocket in a standard pair of trousers sold by the thousands in Australia.
    This alluding to hoary folklore, and blind adherence to Mr. Cleland’s testimony may not be good enough, now that we know more.

  17. WEINER WEINER

  18. hakan on June 4, 2014 at 12:13 pm said:

    The autopsy report seems to be compatible with portal hypertension, cirrhosis

  19. Knox on June 5, 2014 at 4:12 am said:

    Pete, a small tightly rolled piece of paper in the fob/watch pocket might have felt like a seam to the first searcher. Imagine the story without the second probe, which could have been an impulse. No phone numbers, no Jestyn, no Boxall, no Tamam Shud.

  20. Pete on June 5, 2014 at 10:12 am said:

    Knox: try it, we know the dimensions of the slip, the type if paper, so try it. I did.

  21. Nick: Gordon has got it! … exuberance be buggered, GC has SCOOOOORED!!!!!!
    .. pardon the exuberance, I’m a believer.

  22. misca on June 10, 2014 at 1:35 am said:

    Um Pete…Where did everything go?

  23. Sydney Sitters on June 20, 2014 at 1:26 pm said:

    I have just extracted the weirdest thing from the ‘code’ text it goes as follows:

    ‘Q Testament set out to determine and
    Wednesday. Similar from approximately
    Czech. The Q from M as’ sofar I got some text through an very unlikely method, but ‘wednesday’ and ‘testament’ came out so I thought it as strikingly coincidental…

  24. Michael the Somewhat Civilized on December 7, 2014 at 10:48 pm said:

    Has anyone done any testing of DNA that might remain?

    The variations in the spelling of “Kean” could suggest that the names were phonetic renderings of a name that was unfamiliar to the writer.

    Who had the phone number before Thompson had it?

  25. Escher7 on January 5, 2015 at 10:56 am said:

    A little off topic but here is a cute video of the nature of the rocket research at Woomera which may have been (was?) the subject of spying. Very high value target.

    http://anasta.net/video/news/rocket-range-1948.html

  26. Escher7: nice little Pathe video (though only worked on Firefox for me). 😉

  27. Nick: is there any evidence you are aware of that substantiates the claim(s) that (phone / bank) numbers existed on, or in the rubaiyat ?
    I can’t find any – and GF has stopped answering emails.

  28. Anonymous395016116380 on January 14, 2015 at 12:57 pm said:

    That’s really interesting. I wonder if that woman had something to do with his death since her phone number was there and she signed the book under a different name. Hmm . . .

  29. B Deveson on January 30, 2015 at 1:24 am said:

    I was re-reading the details of Prosper’s marriage to Queenie Thomson, and I noted two things that do not appear to have been mentioned previously.

    Prosper McTaggart Thomson, salesman, age 23 married Queenie Elizabeth Constance Willder, hairdresser aged 20 at Mentone (Victoria) Church of St. Augustine (C of E) 11th July 1936. Details for Prosper: Bachelor. Birth place Charters Towers, Queensland. Occupation salesman. Age 23. Present address: 7 Williams Street Mentone. Usual address: Blacktown, NSW. Father: Ernest Thomson, investor. Mother: Alice Fortune Hawkes.
    Details for Queenie: Spinster. Birth Place Rosebud, Victoria. Occupation: Hairdresser. Age 20. Present address: 7 Williams Street Mentone. Usual address: 7 Williams Street Mentone. Father: Alfred Charles Willder, builder, deceased. Mother: Emily Merry. The witnesses were H.R. Burch (spelling?) and A.C. Willder. (Ref: Certificate of marriage No: 8783).

    Two interesting points. Prosper stated that his usual place of residence was Blacktown, NSW (which is a suburb of Sydney). Jessie is said (Feltus page 20) to have been born in Marrickville, which is another Sydney suburb, and she was studying nursing in Sydney 1942-46 (Feltus pages 20 and 26). Perhaps Jessie met Prosper when he was living at Blacktown or visiting his parents who were living in Concord in 1936? Prosper’s father owned a small block of land (9 acres) in the Shire of Blacktown in the 1920s and 30s.
    The second interesting point is that Prosper’s father was an investor. Anyone investing during the Depression would have probably done very well financially when things improved after WW2. So, it is quite possible that Prosper’s father was quite wealthy when he died in 1956. Prosper’s parents, Ernest Chalmers Thomson and Isobel Alice Fortune Thomson are listed as living at 32 Burwood Road in the 1936 electoral roll for the electoral sub-division of Concord. 32 Burwood Road is in the Sydney suburb of Concord.

  30. Jessie’s family was also living in Mentone at this time. It’s quite possible that they met there???

  31. Did you know that Queenie Elizabeth Thomson was involved in a plane crash on Ansett Airways maiden flight from Sydney to Adelaide reported in the Advertiser 18th May, 1946?

  32. The phone number for Thomson X3239 was listed in the Classified Advertising section of The Advertiser. The ad reads “New black sedan hire car available for weddings, country trips at special rates.’ Phone Thomson X3239.

  33. Perhaps someone made a note of it on the back of their rubaiyat. Interestingly, Mr Thomson’s as appears just after the Funeral notices and just before the clothing section, including Australian American disposals and ballet shoes. A piece of trivia : X3239 is also a Shirley of Hollywood Plus size for a Scallop lace chemise and perhaps someone’s US Army discharge number. Have a nice day.S

  34. BTW Queenie survived the crash, so conveniently before their divorce.

  35. Susyn on April 8, 2015 at 10:38 am said:

    If Prosper was married in 1936 to Queenie, and he was 23 in 1948, it means he was 11 when he got married!

  36. Susyn on April 8, 2015 at 10:40 am said:

    Sorry, he was 23 when he got married in 1936, so in 1948 he would have been 35.

  37. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!xcbg zzzzzzzzzzzz, somebody wake up

  38. pete: I’m reading your posts, just because I don’t comment on every page – even the plausible made implausible stuff – doesn’t mean I’m not. 🙂

  39. Pete on May 31, 2015 at 10:37 am said:

    This is the internet, Nick, everybody got to HURRY, that’s the rule that grants instant gratification,

  40. Pete: yeah, I always meant to get round to providing instant gratification for everyone, I’ll add that to my list of things to do… soon-ish. 🙂

  41. pete on May 31, 2015 at 11:00 am said:

    Baited breath old man, I can hardly wait. See you soonish.

  42. Dennis on June 5, 2015 at 4:29 pm said:

    Latest article recently published here

  43. Misca on June 6, 2015 at 4:33 am said:

    Dennis – Good article. Some new stuff. Thanks for sharing. It might seem like no one is interested but we are!

  44. pete on June 21, 2015 at 9:10 am said:

    Just passing through on the way home from HK …. This is not a loaded question: What was Jessica’s religion in her youthful years? I remember somebody saying she was converted to Judaism.

  45. Misca on June 28, 2015 at 3:47 am said:

    There doesn’t seem to be a birth certificate for Jessica. Nothing. Not from family. Not from filed records. Odd. Isn’t it? Did GF search for one?

    With all of then attention this case has had, it seems strange that her provenance is still not known.

  46. pete on June 29, 2015 at 2:32 am said:

    Do you think that if I tossed DA a couple of bucks he might have an answer?

  47. pete: 525AUD should cover it, don’t you think?

  48. Pete on June 29, 2015 at 8:43 am said:

    For that much I might get a striped tie as well.

  49. Pete: no need for your money, the Indiegogo campaign has already raised 525 AUD. Should be enough for a striped tie for each backer. 🙂

  50. Pete on June 29, 2015 at 9:54 am said:

    Nick: baby, you’ve gone mighty quiet on the whothefuckisthatdeadman mystery … Is there an elephant in the room?

  51. Pete: I’m preparing a post on the subject of wtfitdm, as it happens. For what it’s worth, I suspect there is an elephant in there, but he’s not wearing George Smiley’s overcoat. 😉

  52. George on July 9, 2015 at 3:07 am said:

    Just putting it out there….

    With a disclaimer that I am no handwriting specialist, I would suggest that either the note was written by lots of diffferent people (unlikely) or the authorities have managed to pick up lots of different layers of a busy scratchpad (more likely, I think)

    Some observations:
    A: are almost all different – different slopes on the bar (in fact different slopes on the letters); some sloppily runove outside the A (sometimes on either side) – there are definitel at least 3 different A’s (lean, curvuture/straighness of legs, crossbar)
    B: some have more flourish than others, and line 3’s is better defined than line 1 or 4
    C/D/E – only one of each – but note how horizontal the bars on the E are (like some of the A’s)
    G: the top line is rounded and the bar in it is not very pronounced. The bottom line less round, but a very clear bar (although that might be from the flourished AB)
    I: hard to tell any difference (although the beginning of the last line might be a scribble, rather than an I
    L: both look the same
    M/W: there appear to be at least 2 hands here….the M’s on third line (5th character) and fifth line (4th char) are less hurried than 4th line (char 1) and 5th line (char 8) (less hurried = look at the middle bit, and the relative length of each leg)
    O/Q: Somebody writes nice neat O’s (so you can’t see where they start or finish, but a very lazy Q that is a little disconnected (and one of the O’s is more oval while the other is more egg-shaped)
    P: both P’s look ever so slightly different – the first meets the stem and is flowing back around and down, the second has a more triangular loop and finishes above the stem pointing upward
    R: Would have expected more consitency with the B (&P)….
    S: fairly consistent
    T: most sloping upward to right, some have a slightly curved bar – interestingly, most of the I’s seem to have a consistent lean, but the T’s don’t…

    I think these imprints are the result of different owners of the book at different times, or at least different people, happening to rest something on the book to write….and that the scratchings that were found under UV light have picked up many different excerpts.
    I think the lines are generally unrelated (and probably the ‘X’ too)
    The letter sizes are all different and in different hands.
    With a bit of imagination – especially imagine a copper trying to find the most defined lines in a busy scratchpad – the 4th line could almost be “Marlborough” (as in Marlborough St).
    The spaces between the characters is a little bit all over the place too…..the two MLIA are a stark contrast in terms of spacing, letter width and letter height….

    Of course, that being the case, it does seem a little interesting that there are no numbers….and you wonder a little why people would use the INSIDE of a book to lean on, when efen a paperback would be firmer on the outside than inside.

    Either way, I’m convinced there’s several different handwritings in all those letters – and I think it suggests that it’s meaningless scribbles that have been picked up. It’s always looked unusually messy but increasingly I think it’s because the letters are disconnected….

  53. Callen on July 12, 2015 at 10:47 pm said:

    The note seems more referential to “regret”, as addressed in the book itself. And, suggests a suicide note. The note in his pocket could be a talisman, to “finish” the regret.

    I would offer : (I suggest using “M”, though “W” could work with “While” and “Would” for the first and second sentences)

    Many regrets go on after birth and before death
    May this be in my pocket and not Ellen Thomson’s pocket
    (Hoping she has no regrets, unlike himself)
    (Unfortunately, no one suggests she ever used Ellen as her name…)
    My life is all but over and I am quite calm (I had found this blog when I searched “Somerton” and “my life is all but over”, as posted above by “Rob” >> I am in agreeance with you. )
    It’s time to move to south Australia, Moseley Street thank God Almighty Bye
    (last line is attributed in wiki to retired detective Gerry Feltus, with an alternative for the last four words)

  54. Enigma on July 26, 2015 at 6:56 am said:

    Time to look at unknown boy stealing motor bike at Broken Hill then apparently dumping it at Adelaide 24 hours later, in 1948, Broken Hill to Adelaide, dirt ,corrugated potholed road, in the evening, fuel refill? boy, on a stolen bike, in the dead of night? Broken Hill to Adelaide is approx 500 kms. In the dark, on a very bad dirt road. The beginning of this story is very strange and not quite right.

  55. Nate Sebastian on August 4, 2015 at 4:09 pm said:

    The handwritten ‘code’ in the back of the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám book might be a MUSICAL NOTATION, not necessarily written by the Somerton man. It makes sense for at least 90% of the code so far, still working on it :

    A, B, D, G : chords or notes, for example on a guitar. This is an internationaly adopted notation style, the writer could have spoken any language besides English.

    | : not a capital ‘i’ but a bar line.

    O : play open string.

    OX : crossed ‘O’ : damp the string, don’t play the string.

    Q : same as above : thinking of music while writing it down adresses different parts of the brain. Doing both at the same time could result in unvoluntary doodles : ‘I know I have to cross the ‘O’ but I’m allready thinking about the next chord.’ It’s something I would do if I was in a hurry to write down a chord progression in a eureka moment and when no other recording equipment was at hand.

    –X—– horizontal line to indicate the nut of a guitar. The ‘x’ appears to be in second (5th) position : don’t play 5th string.

    W, M, N (?) : the writer appears to have some difficulties forming an ‘M’, at least in the beginning. The ‘M’ becomes more fluent towards the end as if they haven’t written in a long time or don’t write much (capitals) overal. Maybe the ‘second line’ was added afterwards ? Maybe ‘M’ has 2 meanings. The first ‘M’ looks like a crown : ‘Play this on the instument with the crown-logo’. It could be a custom character to indicate the time signature. Metronome maybe ? If this was written with a ballpoint the clumsy first ‘M’ could be explained by trying to get the dried out ball rolling.

    M : Middle finger ?

    T : Thumb ?

    R and L : could refer to Left hand, Right hand

    PAN : could mean ‘slide’ : Middle finger, pan to E, Thumb (is that a period ?) Pink (little finger)

    S or G (?) : the 5th and 8th character from the back : not sure what this is, probably not a ‘G’, they write the ‘other’ 2 G’s differently, both times.

    Last 2 lines could be read vertically : ‘Play A with Thumb, B with Middle finger…

    Final ‘B’ : this is a ‘glorious B’ : ‘I did it ! .. and now I’m done!’

    You’re welcome – Glorious ‘e’

  56. Nobody can solve this case without
    1.persian knowledge
    2.backtracking every step and possiblity to Jessica Ellen Thomson or her relatives whom she might have let something on.

  57. anyway it is quite clear that the death has not occurred on somerton beach and that the body was lying in another position for long time before it was posed beside the home for cripples.every tag from the body was removed.So it is quite possible that the piece of paper was just a distraction.

  58. Hi Enigna, The stolen motorcycle from Broken Hill is, I suspect, tied up with this case, I just can’t put my finger on it. If you were stealing a motorcycle, a joyride? why would you have a suitcase with you, surely it would have made sense to dump it asap after taking the bike. Why did the youth, Pruzinski, drive to Adelaide, did he have relatives/friends there? He told the police the clothes were inside the suitcase when dumped at Somerton Beach, so, if only the clothes were found-where did the suitcase end up? In Adelaide Railway Station? The trousers in the suitcase, I read, had sand in the turnups. The only link between the suitcase & the Somerton Man was the Barbour thread..

  59. Re; Broken Hill etc. two things that stick in my mind is 1: Prosper drove to Broken Hill quite often and dealt with rifle sales. 2: The name Pruzsinki-isn’t this Hungarian in origin, the SM looked east European, just a thought!

  60. Clive: sure, we have a little evidence of Prosper driving to Broken Hill, and a little evidence of Prosper trying to buy a rifle. However, nobody at all from the Pruszinski family seems to have dropped off the radar during that period… so it’s all a bit of a thin soup for the moment. 😐

  61. Nick, we have more than a little evidence of Prosper wanting a rifle – he placed an ad for one during the inquest.
    Rifle (wanted), automatic Winchester, model 63 or similar, for cash. Thomson 90A Moseley Street.

  62. pete: I would agree that we have exactly a little evidence of Prosper wanting to buy a rifle on one occasion, though no evidence that he actually bought one, or even ever owned one.

    All in all, this falls a fair way short of what Clive asserted in his comment, which was that Prosper “dealt with rifle sales”. That’s a lot of jam balanced on a very small piece of bread. 😐

  63. Semantics: you must butter your toast with them in the morning, Nick.

  64. Nick, Ok, I agree, Prosper may have dealt with rifle sales on one or two occasions and Broken Hill did have its rifle clubs. Still find it odd that Pruzsinki found his way to Glenelg/Somerton Park beaches-why not Largs Bay, Henley Beach, West Beach, all further North. Unless, of course, it had been arranged previously. And why dump the bike and walk down to Pt Noarlunga-was it out of fuel?

  65. pete: they’re delicious with marmalade, too. 😉

  66. I’m sure they are, Nick, and just as indigestible.

  67. Maybe he is known maybe the people of his comunity dont care about him didnt want to speak up maybe some were scared to speak up maybe some thought who cares about him

  68. Maybe he loved deciphering

  69. Re. no name in the shoes because they were bespoke (Abbott). There might have been individual shoemakers who did not “brand” their shoes but the current general rule seems to be:
    “… a leather ‘sock’ bearing the shoemaker’s name is inserted inside, …”.
    –robbreport.com/fashion/connoisseurs-guide-bespoke-footwear#sthash.SSPNo1B2.dpuf

    Loake shoes use numbers such as 204b (found in SM’s shoes). This is an old establishment and might have made shoes to order in the 1940’s. Was there a branch in the US at the time?

    “Made-to-order is extreme customization—when a customer takes an existing style and selects the color, materials, and details. Bespoke is when an item is made from scratch to a buyer’s specification.”
    –vanityfair.com/style/2012/06/six-best-custom-bespoke-mens-shoes

    Today’s costs are from $3500 to over $100000. How well did the shoes fit? Is it possible the maker’s name was excised? If it was, the shoes might not have been made-to-order or bespoke and the maker imitated the location of the name from more expensive shoes instead of stamping it. If they were, and the name was not removed, then new shoes with a good fit for SM’s feet would have been an extraordinary find in a used clothing store. No conclusion can be had because people die with shoes in the price range mentioned that have hardly been worn and those could be donated to a second-hand store. The odds are not good enough that I’ll go looking for new $5000 shoes in salvage stores.

    Re. the mended clothing. Rich or poor, some people are maintenance-minded. Indications are that SM had another container apart from the suitcase and he surely had a wallet. There is no single explanation for missing tags. His financial circumstances are unknown.

  70. An interesting idea about the code, which I don’t believe to be true, is that it’s a “Chronogram”. The idea is just that most of the code is garbage, except the letters that are valid Roman Numerals. The garbage letters are used as distraction. This leaves us with MMMMDCLVIII = 4658.
    And what about the X? Well, it fits the Glenelg phone number pretty well: X4658. That could explain why the X sits above the text, to avoid getting added to the Roman Numerals.
    Turns out that the chances of 43 random letters containing a valid Roman Numeral sequence is about 10%. I was disappointed to find that. It’s just interesting enough, but not significant to tell us anything.
    The phone number doesn’t trigger anything interesting in the newspaper archives. I don’t think it’s the solution, but is something to think about.
    Cheer,
    Simon

  71. The elusive Donald Sterling and his unknown history would make anyone crazy. Clever, clever, clever as teen writing code for a three year old. Adam Tokowitz anyone!

  72. I really hope this doesn’t fall into the category of trolling, it’s intended as a thought I had which I hope may help.
    I was thinking about the abnormal splenic enlargement, did a google search and one cause stuck out to me….malaria, now, I think it’s unlikely malaria was the direct cause of death (although not impossible) but it does cause splenic enlargement as well as sometimes blood related issues that could explain the ruddiness on parts of his body.
    If the SM was indeed a traveller (as seems likely) it’s not impossible he acquired it during his travels, or possibly even during military service.
    I don’t claim any evidence for this, it’s purely speculative, but it is one possible explanation to a somewhat peculiar detail of the case.
    Even if it were proven I’m not sure it’d help identify him or the cause of death, but maybe it’s a tiny jigsaw piece that helps the overall picture….or not?

  73. Joe: malaria is certainly a possibility (and suggesting something so sensible is a very long way from trolling, thanks!), but as far as jigsaws go, it’s perhaps no more than a small piece of sky… we’ll need many more such pieces before things start to interlock in a satisfying way. 😐

    Incidentally, am I the only person who sometimes likes to do jigsaws upside down? Perhaps that’s some kind of prerequisite for wanting to take on cipher mysteries. 😉

  74. Rick A. Roberts on November 9, 2015 at 8:53 pm said:

    Here is my work on this cipher, looking at it from right to left. The first line is, ” DBABAOGRM “, or ” TAMAM SHUD “. The second line reads, ” IOAILM “, or ” PSNMPTD “, “P S EMPTIED “. The third line reads, ” PTENAPMIBTM “, or ” UEYNMUDPAED “, ” MONEY DUE PAID “. The fourth line reads, ” CQAIAOBAILM “, or ” ILMPMSAMPTD “, ” SAMPLE EMPTIED “. The fifth line reads, ” BAGTSMASTMTTI “, ” AMHERDMREDEER “, ” A DEEP(ER) MURDER MYSTERY “. The message reads, ” TAMAM SHUD – POISON SAMPLE – MONEY DUE PAID – SAMPLE EMPTIED – A DEEP(ER) MURDER MYSTERY “.

  75. Rick A. Roberts on November 9, 2015 at 9:00 pm said:

    The second lined out line is, ” P S EMPTIED “, or ” POISON SAMPLE EMPTIED “.

  76. Rick a. Roberts on November 15, 2015 at 5:40 am said:

    Could it be that the poison used was Quinine ? It was used to treat malaria.

  77. Hi Nick,

    I grew up at Brighton near Somerton Beach shortly after the mystery man’s body was found. I am currently working on a novel (fiction revolving around real events), and the Somerton Man, Woomera and Parkside/Glenside Hospital are all background to the book. Reading your great site (as recommended by Pete Bowes) I saw that Keith Waldemar Mangnoson attended Parkside Hospital. The last entry I could find was 27 April 1950 – a report that he had been found after escaping the hospital. I have not been able to get permission to view hospital records, but am curious if he spent more time at Parkside. Another (possibly dubious claim) says that Jess Thompson worked there as a charge nurse sometime during the 60s. Once again I was not allowed to view hospital records, but would be interested to know if this was true. I’m not familiar with the protocols of asking such questions to you (or the blog site) so excuse me if I have approached this the wrong way.

  78. John: thanks for dropping by! Don’t forget that Trove has a 60-year rule (only sidestepped in a few cases), so if anything made its way into the newspapers after 1953/1954 concerning Keith Mangnoson, Trove won’t tell us about it for a while. Having said that, the Internet surely presents less than 1% of the world’s databases to Google’s panoptic eye, so there are plenty of other databases out there for determined researchers to ferret out and search.

    For example, have you thought about submitting an information request to the relevant state’s Police archivists? They may well have records relating to the whole sad Mangnoson affair that they deem are now historically ok to release at this distance of time.

    Incidentally, I’ve been thinking for a long time about trying to compile a book listing 10,000 sources of research information that aren’t available on the Internet – things you have to go and consult for yourself. It’s a big world out there, and digitization is a slow, expensive process.

  79. Does no one think it’s a little strange that Abbott married Rachel, who may have been the SM’s granddaughter? Don’t eat where you ****, and all that? And the correlation between Robin’s ears and hypodontia and the SM’s is really telling.

  80. Nick – in the interests of sharing all the bounty: a lady over my way has a gentleman named Keane, ProsperT and a noted Communist functionary all in the one place and at the same time in South Australia.
    Quote:
    “Donald David Thomson, Prosper and Thomas Keane were all together at Heidelberg Hospital in Victoria in 1943.”
    Her story is academically extensive and totally without support of any kind, but it’s been a long time between drinks as far as Somerton fiction is concerned.

  81. Pete: I indeed saw the comment over at your site. Good luck with trying to find more on the 115th Heidelberg Military Hospital / 115th Australian General Hospital / 6th RAAF Hospital.
    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/026097/

    It’s certainly true that Prosper Thomson was briefly there in 1943 (he was transferred from Prince Henry Hospital to “115AgH” on 28/6/1943, but discharged two weeks later on 10/7/1943):
    http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=6075734&S=3&N=7#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=6075734&T=P&S=5

    As to the rest… we shall see!

  82. Rick A. Roberts on January 22, 2016 at 6:26 am said:

    I went back and looked at my message that I posted on 09 DEC 16 . The coded message is ; ” TAMAM SHUD “, ” POISON EMPTIED “, ” MONEY DUE PAID “, ” SAMPLE EMPTIED “, ” A MURDER MYSTERY ” . I believe that I have it correctly deciphered now.

  83. The deal was never completed, Rick, but I like one, two and four.

  84. Fred Smith on February 4, 2016 at 3:53 pm said:

    Theory:
    The Somerton Man and Jestyn were both spies having an affair. He wrote her number in his copy of the Rubaiyat which she gave him, like she gave a copy to Alf, with whom she could have supposedly had some sort of romantic relationship (i read somewhere that he made romantic gestures but she rebuffed them because she was married? Maybe more happened than she let on, i mean she wrote a poem in it for him?) So it makes sense she might have given Somerton Man one too if they were seeing eachother. Somerton Man was an enemy spy which could explain why he wrote her number in the back of the book so lightly it could only be seen under ultraviolet light; he obviously couldnt write it in his diary could he? The code could be something only known by and relevant to Summerton Man and Jestyn, hence why it was written next to her number. I think i saw somewhere the writing could have been Somerton Man’s? (Don’t know if there is any evidence to support this)
    Well anyway, ~someone~ found out about their affair, poisoned him, dumped him five minutes away from her ON PURPOSE, and put the end of the book she gave him in his pocket as a message that their relationship was “finished” – “tamam shud” and threw the book into a random person’s car knowing they’d probably put two and two together and turn in as evidence, serving as a message to Jestyn. It wouldnt have mattered if said person had just thrown the book out upon finding it and given it no thought anyway because the “Tamam Shud” had enough significance to her to publicly send her a message.
    This would explain why his luggage was so mish mashed.. He was a spy, he travelled a lot, hence the different origins of the clothing and such. He could have packed any mish mash of clothes to avoid it looking suspicious when going through customs. His luggage is that of someone visiting briefly. Perhaps he was going to see their supposed son?
    Her reaction, going extremely white to the point where she looked as if she was going to faint when being shown the cast of the man, again backs up my theory: she wasn’t in on it. It was done to hurt her and send a message.
    Sucks that the code is still a mystery though. Correct me on any facts if I’m wrong.

  85. I posted elsewhere…Keith Mangnoson was also at the “115AgH” in 1944.

  86. Jennifer on March 27, 2016 at 12:28 pm said:

    Are you Russian Misca?

    You have done some lovely and extensive research. What’s your story?

  87. Jennifer on March 28, 2016 at 11:27 am said:

    Because surnames are passed down from father to son in many cultures, and the Y chromosome is passed from father to son with a predictable rate of mutation, people with the same surname can use genealogical DNA testing to determine if they share a common ancestor within a genealogical timeframe.

  88. Galaxy Fan Fan on March 28, 2016 at 1:58 pm said:

    Could it not just be that he commited suicide and the stuff with the book in the third paragraph there is either mischief-making or completely coincidental?

  89. Galaxy Fan Fan on March 28, 2016 at 1:59 pm said:

    “Because surnames are passed down from father to son in many cultures, and the Y chromosome is passed from father to son with a predictable rate of mutation, people with the same surname can use genealogical DNA testing to determine if they share a common ancestor within a genealogical timeframe.”

    I understand your angle Jennifer. 😉

  90. Galaxy Fan Fan on March 28, 2016 at 2:03 pm said:


    Does no one think it’s a little strange that Abbott married Rachel, who may have been the SM’s granddaughter? Don’t eat where you ****, and all that? And the correlation between Robin’s ears and hypodontia and the SM’s is really telling.”

    I think it’s great Taman Shud brought these two lovers together Emma. But as Rachel is an adoptee and not legally a Thomson she is not really going to get anywhere! 😉

  91. GalaxyFanFan: the Tamam Shud wriggles out of all such explanatory devices with practised ease. You’ll have to try harder!!!!

  92. B Deveson on April 13, 2016 at 12:25 pm said:

    Nick, I can’t find a proper place to post this.
    I don’t remember seeing this before. I don’t buy the H.C. Reynolds story but the following is a bit of a coincidence.
    I don’t remember having seen this before.

    The Argus (Melbourne) 5th December 1947 page 1
    Publican’s car stolen after warning ignored A man walked into the Phoenix Hotel, Flinders st, city, last Saturday and warned a barman that a car belonging to Mr H. C. Reynolds, the proprietor, would be stolen. On Wednesday night the car, a 1940 model Chrysler Imperial sedan, number BU-054, ,was removed from Collins place, city. Mr Reynolds last night offered a £50 reward for its recovery. He said the barman had told him that a gang of thieves intended to steal the car and had already obtained a set of duplicate keys for it. At first he discounted the story,’ thinking it was only “beer talking.” He forgot the warning until a barman reminded him yesterday.

  93. Byron: it’s certainly an interesting coincidence. I mentioned the story before back in 2011 where I wrote:

    […] he was the proprietor of the Phoenix Hotel, 82 Flinders Street, Melbourne (which is due to be demolished next year [2012] and rebuilt as apartments 29 storeys high). However, this was presumably also the same H. C. Reynolds who transferred a hotel licence for Phoenix Hotel Co not long before 27th April 1950, so we can almost certainly rule him out […].

  94. Byron: …but re-reading it, it’s not half as clear-cut an argument against him as I seemed to think back in 2011 (however light a lead it may be), because the H. C. Reynolds mentioned could well have died in the preceding licence period (two years?). So perhaps it would be interesting to look at T. J. Fitzmaurice and Ettie Lilian Powers a little, see where they lead. 🙂

  95. Byron: ah, Hubert Cyril Reynolds and Powers got the hotel licence back in December 1951 – http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23095956?searchTerm=tom%20Fitzmaurice%20phoenix&searchLimits= while Tom Fitzmaurice was a retired sportsman. (This page wasn’t on Trove back in 2011). 🙂

  96. Manchester City!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. Dss: errm… more like North Melbourne, acksherly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Fitzmaurice

  98. Hey Nick,

    I just wanted to let you know that I have the Taman Shud decoding on my website http://cosmicorderoftarot.com/ He was indeed a spy and the letters are mainly military acronyms. For example, Line 1 M/W RGOABABD is for Men/Woman Regimental (R) Ground (G) Operations (O), Amphibious (AB) & Airborne Division (ABD). The Airborne Division’s usual acronym is ABD. On this line he’s indicating the American Army and as well on Line 2, but the other lines outline British and Australian military acronyms. I also have the Shugborough Decoding on my website and another jewel of a decoding that’s quite extensive. I’ll be doing more decodings as time goes by… Contact me if you have any questions.

  99. Sue d'Nimh on April 15, 2016 at 6:52 am said:

    Have recently been trying to follow up on something I had previously dismissed and wondered what other peoples thoughts were. Has anybody investigated a possible link to the case of Senator Richard Valentine Keane’s Trunk?

  100. SirHubert on April 15, 2016 at 8:24 am said:

    Sue: Firstly, senators’ trunks, like old wives’ tales, can now be removed under local anaesthetic. Secondly, just to say that I liked your choice of username but this would properly be pronounced ‘Pseudeniv’.

  101. Sue d'Nimh on April 15, 2016 at 8:43 am said:

    I was thinking NIMH as in ‘The Rats of NIMH’
    (cos’ I could probably use their services)

  102. SirHubert: mhery good! 😉

  103. buttercup on May 9, 2016 at 4:53 pm said:

    I wonder if anyone has looked at the numbers as Longitude or Latitude.. Just a thought.
    4 8 15 16 23 48
    lati: 48,15
    long: 16,23

    place: Wien, Austria.

    lati: 48,151
    long: 62,342

    place:somewhere in Khazakstan

  104. buttercup on May 9, 2016 at 5:20 pm said:

    Also nobody thinks the writting is a language but has anyone tried to translate it.. IT can be several different things when tried for example”

    loailm : Authorization weather
    MLIAOL: Lao weather in estonesian : Loa in vietnamese is speakers:
    MLiABOAIAQC : VItabolic or MILAN CATANIA which are locations when letters are switched..

    People have been using combinations of letters for years, or spelling things out backwards in another language to confuse people..Look at the Harlem Shake when translated it means Down with the Terrorist.. Yet, few noticed or looked at that.. Hidden meanings in front of your face -so-per-say.. Just another thought..

  105. Sue d'Nimh on May 10, 2016 at 6:53 am said:

    Where have numbers [4] [8] [15] [16] [23] [48] come from?
    (They look like the numbers from LOST).

  106. Sue d'Nimh on May 10, 2016 at 7:01 am said:

    It has been pointed out by many people that if you reverse the first line of the code…

    MRGOABABD to become DBABA OGRM
    then this could be TAMAM SHUD.

    Has anyone tried reversing the entire code and filling in the letters as a simple cipher.
    Could it reversed enciphered Malay? I suggest Malay because Boxall’s copy of the Rubaiyat was a dual language edition in both English and Malay. And of course Marshall was Malaysian.

  107. Rick A. Roberts on May 11, 2016 at 2:30 am said:

    Sue d’Nimh,

    Please see my solution to the code that I posted on 09NOV15 and 22JAN16 . I took each line and reversed each one in English . Check out my work and give me your feedback . Thank you very much .

  108. John sanders on May 23, 2016 at 11:12 am said:

    Nick: Did you ever consider that the old bugger H. C. Reynolds may well have died in 48 and yet arose again, he being prop. of the PHOENIX hotel….ah forget it lets get serious. Did anyone ever give any thoughts to the Bickford family a very secretive lot you never met and of course owners of the big pad overlooking S.M’s beach. Quite a few were born in the early 20th century, some even in the old house and one may have had the yen to see the old place one more time. Just a thought and by the bye, check out the profile picks of actor Charles Bickford, a spitting image of S.M on the slab.

  109. nickpelling on May 23, 2016 at 12:51 pm said:

    John sanders: yeah, there’s been a fair bit of talk about the Bickfords here recently, but only really in connection with pharmaceutical malpractice. 🙂

  110. Johan on May 25, 2016 at 9:01 am said:

    Here is a interesting result applying a standard vignere encryption(http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/vigenere-keyed.php) on the code in the rabayiat.

    Encrypting MLIABOAIAQC using MTBIMPANETP as passphrase you get YEJINDAVEJR which is bacically two names YEJIN and DAVE JR

    Seems a bit coincidental to me

  111. nickpelling on May 25, 2016 at 10:15 am said:

    Johan: I’m sorry to say that to my eyes, YEJINDAVEJR looks like the kind of “micro-match” that has so plagued Zodiac Killer cipher research. Basically: the Rubaiyat text resembles an English acrostic cryptogram 100x more than it resembles a Vigenere cryptogram, so you would seem to be on a “losing wicket” with this one. 😐

  112. Johan on May 25, 2016 at 10:39 am said:

    I have no idea about probabilities 😀
    Would be interesting though if the name ZE-JIN or DAVE JR was around back then in Glenelg. Heck, the book might not even be related to the man on the beach. Is there any strong relation between the tamam shud note in the mans pocket and the book? Same font matching that edition for example?

  113. nickpelling on May 25, 2016 at 10:47 am said:

    Johan: finding a mysterious piece of paper in a dead man’s pocket with “Tamam Shud” on it… and then later finding the book from which it (almost without any doubt) had been removed in a car less than a mile from where the man was found dead… is quite a funky coincidence, wouldn’t you say?

  114. Johan on May 25, 2016 at 10:56 am said:

    Yes, if the finder of the book wasn’t just pulling a prank, ripping out the tamam shud text from his book after police announced the finding of the note. The ripped out portion does not match the note directly.

    A mismatch of font in the book would rule out the note coming from that book. I have not found any note relating to a checkup of this which is a little strange to me. Was the book so rare? Some copy of it would be around wouldn’t you think?

  115. nickpelling on May 25, 2016 at 11:19 am said:

    Johan: people (most notable of whom is Gerry Feltus) have been searching for a matching copy of the Rubaiyat for decades without any luck. That is a mystery on its own: perhaps one will turn up in the future, who knows?

    We don’t know for certain if the ripped out portion matches the copy or not, because (a) it has long been said that the police did not show the actual ripped out hole in their photographs (to prevent people from ripping a matching hole in a copy), and (b) the Rubaiyat itself was discarded long ago (though the “Tamam Shud” still remains).

  116. Johan on May 25, 2016 at 1:09 pm said:

    Thanks for your reply and thanks for a great site.

    By the way did you notice that both ciphertext and passphrase were taken from the note? If I were to choose whatever passphrase I like of course I could produce anything but to get a somewhat meaningful answer by just using data from the note seems coincidental. Normally you would get total gibberish doing something like this, try to choose some random passphrase yourself 😉

  117. nickpelling on May 25, 2016 at 1:36 pm said:

    Johan: yes, I noticed just fine. But… did you notice that MLIABOAIAQC has three As and two Is, while MTBIMPANETP has two Ms, two Ts, and two Ps? Given that your “YEJINDAVEJR” has two Es and two Js, your Vigenere decryption has the effect of flattening the frequency instances, which is the statistical opposite of what a cryptologist would expect. Just so you know. 🙂

  118. Johan on May 25, 2016 at 6:19 pm said:

    Nick: yes, flattening of the frequency would be expected as I do a ENCRYPT(if you read back) operation not a decrypt.

    I just say there is a coincidence. We don’t know if the text is an attempt to decrypt or encrypt. Maybe what we see is a failed attempt to encrypt YEJINDAVEJR? Or some other attempt involving said text.

  119. milongal on May 26, 2016 at 4:23 am said:

    CLutching at straws/coincidence….
    Aside from:
    1) Yejin = rare name (esp in Australia back then)}
    2) Dave Jr is a bit odd without a surname
    3) Any number of other issues you might have with the decryption

    What’s the point of sending ciphertext and key together – especially when the text is so “random” that people would immediately think there’s some trick to reading it?
    Does not make an iota of sense in my mind.

    2c
    mil

  120. nickpelling on May 26, 2016 at 6:29 am said:

    milongal: all fair enough – but my point was rather that because of the letter repetitions, neither of the two strings looks much like a Vigenere ciphertext in the first place. 😐

  121. Johan on May 26, 2016 at 6:34 am said:

    milongal: We don’t know the purpose of the text. It might not be meant as a message, maybe it’s just scribblings for another purpose. Maybe the writes received a message he/she is trying to decode but failing for some reason not a message he/she is sending, or the final message is sent elsewhere. ZEJINDAVEJR might be the passphrase shining through. Lots of possibilities here.

  122. nickpelling on May 26, 2016 at 8:27 am said:

    Johan: from a codebreaker’s point of view, there are actually very few possibilities here that aren’t directly contradicted by the statistics (e.g. the letter instance frequency distribution).

    Early on, the page was run past the great Australian codebreaker Eric Nave (without any real doubt, because he’s described elliptically in the newspaper reports), who quickly eliminated cipher systems such as Vigenere and came to a conclusion that still stands, 60+ years on – that because the choice and distribution of the letters are entirely typical of the first letters of English words, what we are looking at here is an acrostic text.

  123. Johan on May 26, 2016 at 8:36 am said:

    Nick: Yes, I totally see that point. But in honest I think the number of letters we have in this cipher is too few to make any statistics on. Especially considering the fact that we don’t know the purpose of the letters. It might be several attempts at the same, maybe very short, phrase.

  124. nickpelling on May 26, 2016 at 9:31 am said:

    Johan: as a rule of thumb, you should be able to solve a simple (monoalphabetic) substitution cipher with roughly 30 letters, or even with less if the text or context happens to offer you some help.

    For the Rubaiyat cryptogram, we have roughly 44 letters, which should (if the transcription isn’t completely broken, which is always possible) be enough to break it. But it’s not that kind of a thing. 🙁

  125. Johan on May 26, 2016 at 10:23 am said:

    Nick: Or we have 9-12 letters in different configurations. As there is no way at this point of knowing the context of these letters I think any assumption about them is limiting the understanding of them.

    As I understand the letters are not even written in the book but indentations caused by writing on another paper laying on top of the indented page. Am I right?
    If this is the case the letters and markings might not even be written at the same time for the same purpose. Overlaying different markings, like the line though the first MLIAOI might not be a strike through but another line related to other lines on the paper.

  126. nickpelling on May 26, 2016 at 10:53 am said:

    Johan: there’s a lot yet to be written about the code page (which is a great deal more subtle than you give it credit), but that’s a post for another day. 🙂

  127. Johan on May 26, 2016 at 10:57 am said:

    Nick: Interesting 🙂 Looking forward to read about that.

  128. milongal on May 27, 2016 at 1:23 am said:

    @Nick – absolutely agree, my point was more aimed at Johan.
    @Johan – agree this isn’t necessarily a message and could be a decryption attempt (It sort of makes the MLIAO strikeout interesting in some respects). And I can even see (though not really agree) that in that case yevindavejr might be a key shining through – but that wasn’t the statement I was replying to (because I don’t think it had been made).
    My point was more that Yevin and Dave Jr being something significant that’s been decrypted seemed rather unlikely….

    And I 100% agree that there’s a veritable shedload of possibilities….which is one of the reasons noone has managed to come up with any “solution” to it (and if it is the first letters of words, as many would believe, we could speculate on the exact meaning forever – I don’t know we can ever be certain, in that case, that any solution is correct).

  129. SirHubert on May 29, 2016 at 9:16 am said:

    Hi Nick: curious about your claim that 30 letters is a viable message length to break a mono-alphabetic substitution cipher. Is that a length at which it’s theoretically possible or normally doable? If that’s the industry standard I have a long way to go!

  130. nickpelling on May 29, 2016 at 9:39 am said:

    SirHubert: it strongly depends on the nature of the underlying message, so there is no fixed figure. But if you download a programme such as CryptoCrack and put 30-character-long enciphered messages into it, you will almost always see the message (or something very close to it) in its list of best guesses.

    Of course, if you have some hint about the contents, or the message includes some unusual combination of letters, or it’s an aristocrat rather than a patristocrat (etc), you can often solve much shorter messages. But that’s more like crossword solving than pure cryptology, of course. 🙂

  131. SirHubert on May 29, 2016 at 10:18 am said:

    Thanks – very interesting 🙂

  132. SirHubert on May 29, 2016 at 11:11 am said:

    …and goes to show that a sophisticated computer program can combine a variety of techniques far more effectively than I can!

  133. (1) Are the end words “Tamam Shud” only found in FitzGerald’s First edition and no other edition?
    (2) Has DNA samples and hair been recovered in the SM’s grave? And who puts the flowers there?
    (3) Why would a seaman smoke ” Kensitas” cigarettes when his pack was Army & Navy brand ?
    (4) Why would the SM be interested in Tetra Antennas?
    (5) The WRE’s first launch from range F was on the 22nd March 1949, 112 days after SM died, however earlier UP’s launches at Port Wakefield with primitive electronic equipment for training staff was initiated.

  134. nickpelling on May 30, 2016 at 4:01 pm said:

    Hal: (1) I believe that “Tamam Shud” is at the end of pretty much all of them.
    (2) No, the hair samples were embedded in the plaster cast that was taken of his body in 1949. No DNA samples have been taken (yet).
    (3) Was he a seaman? If you were poor and a smoker, you’d smoke what you could get, I’d guess.
    (4) Why might you think there was anything connecting the Somerton Man to “Tetra Antennas”?
    (5) Errrm… given that that’s a statement rather than a question, I guess I’m off the hook now. 😉

  135. milongal on May 30, 2016 at 10:48 pm said:

    Can I have a turn Hal?
    1) I think though all (or almost all) versions end with Tamam Shud, the Fitzgerald is of interest because:
    a) There’s no further writing on the back
    b) The colour of the paper is consistent
    c) the police are “certain” they found the book it was ripped from (I suspect there’s a lot of cynicism about the certainty – of course once you start doubting the police are giving the true story then you can’t believe anything (and I suppose to be fair I could think of relatively benign reasons they’d lie as well as the highly conspiratorial ones)
    2) The assumption (I think) is that Jestyn used to put the flowers on the grave. I’m a little curious that we apparently know it was “a woman” (so obviosuly she’s been seen) but I don’t know there was ever any effort made to intercept her. I have a recollection that at some stage some stones were found placed on the grave (which is consistent with Jewish faith/tradition) which adds fuel to the speculation as Jestyn converted to Judaism later in life (and is buried in the Jewish section of Centennial Park).
    3) I used to smoke, and there were probably times when I’d scabbed off my friends (or stolen from my parents) for whatever reason and had B&H or Marlboro smokes in an otherwise empty Escort packet (and probably know people who would have either of those brands in a Holiday or Horizon packet at some stage – which at the time would have been the budget end of the spectrum (although not sure that B&H or Marlboro were particularly high-end, just a little more upmarket than Escort)) – we also used to carry cassette-tape boxes to store smokes in – because their hard shell stopped them getting broken in your pocket. I don’t know what the price/status difference between Kensitas and Army & Navy would be….althoguh I’ll grant it’s perhaps curious for a grown man.
    4/5) No idea.

  136. (1) My information is that only the first edition of FitzGeralds has this ending.
    (2) It’s important to get long strands of hair for nuclear analysis.
    (3) His suitcase was full of seamans – officers equipment.
    (4) The tetra antennas was in his coded message.
    (5) If his girlfriend spoke Russian and her daughter said she knew that she was a spy in a later TV doco, therefore the only activity the Russians were interested in was WRE electronic equipment as the captured German Wurzburg & Seetakt systems were not up to speed. Australian security was at this time very risky as the Americans blackballed Australia from all access to secrets.

  137. nickpelling on May 31, 2016 at 10:31 am said:

    Hal: (1) where did your information come from?
    (2) according to Derek Abbott, it’s difficult to get DNA from an old hair, even from the hair’s root
    (3) the suitcase had stuff that could be interpreted in many different ways, though none conclusively just yet
    (4) why do you think this? Did you decrypt the message, or are you relying on someone else’s decryption?
    (5) to my eyes, that whole romantic narrative still seems to rest more on wishful thinking than on any solid evidence per se. Unless you have evidence you can point me to?

  138. Bob Crane on June 29, 2016 at 6:18 pm said:

    The reason she passed the book, is because it is the cypher. Without the original and knowing what page, paragraph, etc. you will never figure it out.

  139. shirley de cock on June 30, 2016 at 5:45 pm said:

    To whom it may concern :

    I am a 32 year old Belgian woman and I believe to have discovered important breakthrough information on an Australian cold case : The Tamam Shud case aka The Somerton man.

    I have found a huge breakthrough in the case of the Somerton Man : I have figured out HIS JOB. The job is such a specific one, that it narrows down the possibilities for his identity in a significant way.

    My theory combines several of the different facts in this case.

    First of all – as many – I believed the Somerset man to be involved with music of some kind. This due to the Rubayat being a book with quatrains and the ‘code’ which I believe had something to do with music as well.

    My theory also explains his very particular calve muscles, and the contents of his suitcase.

    As I believed he was a musician I went looking for a link between this calve muscle and an instrument. I found that an organ player would often have strongly developed calve muscles (due to their playing)

    Also organists would have pointy shoes to hit the right pedal … as I went on in my research I found more and more clues leading to the same conclusion.

    When I came to the suitcase contents, most of them are in a basic repair set for an organ. I mean the zinc square, the stenciling set, the wax threat … are were commonly used for the repair of organs at the specific time.

    At the time it was also noticed that the Somerton man shoes were very neat, which is a trait typical for organists as well.

    At some point I read about a hotel receptionist stating ‘a weird man had stayed there, who had a case not uncommon for a musician’ and when an employee had looked into it, he had seen a needle of some sort. There is such thing as an organ needle …

    I think all above proves that we are no longer looking for a missing person, but a missing organist. There are only few cases of missing organists and I invite you to all look into it. I believe the end is near and our Somerton man will be identified any time soon. Please contact me asap by email : Shirleyshowdown [at] gmail [dot] com

    BR

  140. nickpelling on June 30, 2016 at 6:36 pm said:

    Shirley: I’ve searched through Australian newspapers on Trove, but can’t find any obviously missing organists. The nearest was an organist in the RAAF who was thought to have been in a plane crash in 1945:

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/83625467

    …so I suspect you may possibly be out of luck. 🙁

  141. milongal on June 30, 2016 at 11:56 pm said:

    The organist is an interesting theory and I think “strong calf muscles” could particularly relate to someone who had to pump the air themselves (eg a harmonium) – although I suspect even the pedalboard would give the legs a fair workout. What I think is particularly interesting, is that there was some mention that he had perhaps been in the habit of wearing women’s shoes (I think). Many years ago when I wanted to learn the organ (I didn’t get very far) the first things I was told was that you need small (preferably pointy) shoes, and that you really want leather soles (although I’m suspecting in the 40s all shoes had leather soles?). (good) Organists play the pedalboard by feel, not by sight (expert ones probably just “know” where the pedals are), but so you kick for gaps between the “black” (often not actually black on an organ pedal board, but not sure what you call them) keys. They also play with 3 parts of the foot – the toe, the heel and (when they have to reach extremes on the pedalboard) the side of the foot. Large clunky shoes make this difficult, and risk you hitting two keys when you play with the toe. Additionally, when there’s any pace in the bass (by organ standards, even crotchets are probably fast – but you do get music with even shorter notes) you need to be able to slip around the board quickly, and leather sole shoes are delightfully slippery for such a task (as opposed to rubber ones which stick a little bit).

    Extrapolating a little bit, the front of the shoes on a less experienced organist would scuff with all the kicking for gaps, however I would imagine that the shoes themselves are normally reasonable quality, and an organist might be forever polishing their shoes (no point just polishing the scuffed toe), so I think there’s certainly a plausibility to the idea.
    Adelaide is small, however, and has few organs – although (I think) there would have been at least 4, possibly 5 within the city – Town Hall, St Francis Xavier’s Cathedral (Catholic), St Peters Cathedral (CoE) and I’m fairly sure Pilgrim Uniting already had one – although online research suggests that they may have had 4 churches in the city, of which at least Flinders St and Pirie St ones make mention of (historically) significant organs. Elder Hall (aka Elder Conservatorium of Music (aka “The Con”)) within the University may also have already had one – but technically the South side of North Tce is outside the city square mile isn’t it? It’s probably likely that any theatres in the city also had organs so there could have been 10 or so. While there is some sharing of organists (even today) this would mean that there’s probably 10 or more organists of reasonable talent wandering around (I know SFX used to have 3, one of whom was well known in musical circles, another would probably be familiar in similar circles (and also played the organ in another city church), and the third I think was basically equivalent to a home-hobbyist, and while over time that has changed a little, the basic theme remains – only the principal organist is renowned. It is entirely possible that there’s no report of a “missing organist” simply because he was a small-time/hobby organist or a secondary organist rather than a musician of any note (::rolleyes::). But I suppose in this case, my point is he may have played the organ, but that’s of minimal help (which I guess is basically Nick’s point above too).

    I don’t particularly buy into musical links to the rubaiyat – but then I tend to think the significance of the rubaiyat is over stated and over-analysed most of the time.

    So I’ll leave you with this thought: Musicians are temperamental…90% temper and 10% mental.

  142. milongal on July 1, 2016 at 12:38 am said:

    NB: I think Adelaide’s most famous organist at the time was James Govenlock (who later moved to Melbourne) – but he might have come a bit later too….and he definitely lived well beyond the 50s.

  143. Diane on July 1, 2016 at 5:28 am said:

    sounds to me like Strachan’s in the wind. 🙂

  144. Matt on July 1, 2016 at 4:09 pm said:

    Sorry to burst any bubbles, but the calf muscles related to organ playing is not a theory worth pursuing. At all.. Pushing down on a light weight wooden pedal is less strenuous than walking…or even standing. The champion organ player in my high school advanced music class was a 50kg girl with stick legs. And my 80 year old Nana still plays the organ. With stick legs… I think we’re straying from the point. To be honest, enlarged calf muscles like SM had, as well as the issues he had with his toes, can realistically point to ballet….if you consider them both bodily features that have resulted from a particular activity. But if we’re open to suggestions, is it unrealistic to assume that maybe he was born with both?

  145. John sanders on July 2, 2016 at 7:34 am said:

    Just going through some of the old pruszinski stuff and wondered if anything came of the response to gain information from friends and rels is a great idea but if it didn’t produce results I guess a direct approach to the players must be considered. Unfortunately they all seem to have gone to heaven or left town. Don Carlin has moved and may still be with us and as for the siblings Joan Jack and young Don they would all still be in their 70s but perhaps not recall much about their brother’s doings in 1948. The other thing we cannot be really assured of is whether the charged offender Frederick William & Richard Frederick are one & the same. I’m not sure about it at all and one reason is that although the same age our thief doesn’t appear to share the same ethics and social standing of dead ‘fred’. It seems that this family had been in The BH area forever bred like newts to boot and its more than as likely not that another 17 year old with a less socially reliable background might be our man. I know that this has already been raked over by others more SM knowledgeable than I but alas the name Fred hits a nerve and I’d like to give it another spin. Please advise if any other info has surfaced.

  146. shirley decock on July 4, 2016 at 11:01 am said:

    if you want detailed info on the theory of organist, please send me an email at shirleyshowdown [at] gmail [dot] com and I will send you my file, still writing on it, but perhaps you can help me. I can explain almost every object in his suitcase, the loupe, the wax string, etcetera, etcetera

  147. shirley decock on July 4, 2016 at 11:05 am said:

    I am only sure about the organist theory, it would help us a great deal because that would narrow down the possibilities enormesly … I will ivestagate Lawrence K Whipp, who went missing (american in paris) after the war. During the war a lot of churches were occupied by the german, who kept the organist for entertainment reasons and after they were always in strange positions as they were often seen as collaborating. Not saying this is the case, but it is an option. On the organist, however, THAT i am sur eabout

  148. shirley decock on July 4, 2016 at 11:08 am said:

    The loupe, for example, could easyliy have been one for searching organ needle breakage. The razor strap, was not a razor strap, in fact but an organ bellow. those look exactly the same … there are so many clues … glas somebody is finally picking up on it ..

  149. shirley decock on July 4, 2016 at 11:18 am said:

    As I am located in Belgium I could use some help locating all organs … Jestyn being a nurse perhaps hospital organs also?

    When looking for missing organist, please keep in mind that he might be an alien …

  150. nickpelling on July 4, 2016 at 2:05 pm said:

    shirley: I’m not sure I want to ask my blog readers to go searching for alien organs, sounds a bit too ‘Spooky Mulder’ for me. 😉

  151. milongal on July 6, 2016 at 2:29 am said:

    Regarding the Organ (or more specifically about dismissing the idea because some little old lady plays the Organ), I have two thoughts…
    – some organists may practice (or even play regularly) on a harmonium or similar (where you pedal the air yourself) – and those pedals need more strength than the pedalboard on an organ (you constantly twist your foot pivoting at the angle – I could believe that developing your calf)….In fact, I think a lot of smaller churches probably had harmoniums (or pump organs) – in Adelaide which was already developing it’s reputation as “the city of churches”
    – There’s organ players and there’s organists. I think there’s a difference between someone who plays once a week at Church (and maybe a couple of times practicing) and someone who regularly practices and performs. Aside from the obvious fact that the latter would play far more often (so there’s a repetitive factor irrespective of the weight of the pedals), Church Organ is very different to Performance Organ. I know people who could play hymns beautifully (where the Bass is normally quite simple – and you often just act as though your left pinkie is tied to your left foot), but would struggle with the pedal component to a Wedding March (like Widor’s toccata). In fact, as I wrote this it occured to me that there’s plenty of organists on Youtube. If you look for “Diane Bish Widor” you’ll find a video of her playing, and at various points (eg 1:40) it shows her working the pedalboard, and because of the light clothes she’s wearing (as opposed to most organists I’ve found who wear black trousers) it certainly appears like her calves are getting a good work out

    The more likely (in terms of a missing person) is the harmonium – since the skill required to play one is essentially just keyboard, so there would be very many around potentially, and one going missing would be barely noticed – certainly not enough for people to say “an organist went missing”. The latter, well, probably there are few enough organists proficient enough that (especially in a small place like 1940’s Adelaide) if one went missing it would be national news. Of course, it could be a prominent European organist displaced by the war…but we digress.

    IMO, the Organist angle is certainly possible, even if unlikely (or useless – knowing someone was an amateur/Church organist doesn’t help us identify them).

  152. g llewin on July 8, 2016 at 12:07 pm said:

    I remain convinced that this was a failed attempt to decipher a message hence the tragic circumstances of the incident. the first line of the puzzle is compatible with possible values ascribed to ”TAMAM SHUD ” reversed.
    a few people have noted this of course.
    I wonder if the probably deleted line M LIAOI should be rendered
    x
    ML / ABO with the presumed I as /

    the peculiar ”c” after the Q is more likely an unfinished S

  153. nickpelling on July 8, 2016 at 3:47 pm said:

    g llewin: quite a few people have pointed out – and for a whole range of different reasons – that the police’s interpretation of the letters on the Rubaiyat code page may not have been 100% accurate. Sadly, until someone finds more / better photographs or a higher resolution scan, that’s all we have to work with here. 🙁

  154. gor llewin on July 9, 2016 at 2:15 pm said:

    thanks .
    yes, of course. but if its to be assumed that M LIAOI is deleted, then I think my suggestion for ML/ABO might, if not take us far, then point in a new direction. I maintain the final line ITTMT… etc is itself a tragic failure to solve an encoded message and cannot be read as a ”solution”. like the phaistos disc, most of the suggestions offered read like crossword clues, whereas the real solution would most likely be precise and unobscure

  155. John sanders on July 10, 2016 at 3:40 am said:

    Like a lot of other contributors I’m going over the 116 hospital business re staff, patients (POW returnees) and its a real can of worms but feel that I’m coming up with stuff that is very interesting and possibly relevant. However there are some peripheral aspects that I should comment on that are related and I think might create some discussion. We’ll start off by commenting on the apparent lack of labelling on some of the clothes which have caused a lot of theoretical comment over the past 68 years. I believe a simple and logical reason might be that these items could well have been factory seconds that had their manufacturers tags removed prior to sending off to people like the Red Cross, naafi, asco or other service related charities, hospitals and the like for distribution men returning from POW internment or the like. Of course other companies like ‘marco’ for instance may not have seen the need to do this with their discards but you might recall that both the stamina and Marco trousers had what might well have been maker imperfections (mended pocket and maybe an imperfect fob pocket stitching. If you’re happy so far than the following should be a no Brainerd. The English shoes with the impression Mark 204b which is a number that related to boots & not shoes is a logical extension of the same theory and likewise with two of the three Rubaiyats which were probably editorial mistakes which deemed them to be unavailable to the public but OK for distribution to hospitals or troops as part of their help the war effort policy. With regard to Alf Boxall’s 1941 copy in English and Malay the easy answer is that the addition would probably have been for distribution in the F.S. of Malaya but unfortunately the Japanese invasion made the deal unable. I do feel that my synopsis is worthy at least of some merit and would like to see some input from others either for or agin.

  156. John sanders on July 10, 2016 at 5:10 am said:

    My apologies of course I meant 115 Heidelberg hospital where many POW’s went for treatment and rehabilitation following their internment by our Japanese brothers in 1945/46.

  157. nickpelling on July 10, 2016 at 12:11 pm said:

    Gor: there is definitely something different about the final line, but it’s hard to quantify what that is exactly. There’s a post here about that, I’ll try to ferret it out for you…

  158. John sanders on July 12, 2016 at 7:55 am said:

    WON’T RISK GAMBLING OVER ANOTHER BUYER ADVOCATE BETTER DEAL
    MAYBE LIASE INTERIM ALTERNATIVE OFFER (apparently deleted)
    WITH TENTATIVE BROKERAGE INPLACE MIGHT PROPOSE AGREED
    NOMINAL EXTENSION TO PROVIDORE
    MUST LEAVE INITIATIVE ADVANTAGEOUS BUT OPEN-ENDED….ACT
    INTUITIVELY & QUICKLY CONCLUDE
    IMPLICITLY TRUST THAT MARSHALL TAMAM SHUD MUST SERVE TO GAG
    ALF BOXALL

    The foregoing was revealed whilst analyzing the shadowed rift within the
    letter I forming the first letter in the word implicitly. Another message in plain advises not to believe anything that might be found under the letter Q.

  159. Bumpkin on September 7, 2016 at 1:59 am said:

    After almost 68 years are we any closer now to knowing SM’s name than on the day his body was found?

  160. Bumpkin: that depends on who you ask, and who you believe. 🙂 For myself, I suspect that we’re much closer to the answer than we’ve ever been, despite the ridiculous amount of distracting noise that the Internet presents.

  161. Bumpkin: as a post-script, I’d add that I would now be unsurprised if I have seen the Somerton Man’s name on, say, a passenger list without even knowing it. That is, I think we’re looking at the right kind of names for the right kind of reasons, so I’m optimistic that we’ll achieve a good result.

  162. B Deveson on September 7, 2016 at 7:07 am said:

    Bumpkin, DA’s group have been able to recover mitochondrial DNA from a sample of the hair trapped in the plaster bust. DA has said that the mtDNA haplogroup is H. If the H haplogroup defining SNPs can be recovered then there is a reasonable chance that more specific typing SNPs can be recovered. From memory there are now more than a hundred sub-types of the H haplogroup and I think it is quite likely that DA’s group will identify a sufficiently small sub-group so it becomes possible to enlist the help of people who have tested and been found to carry the haplogroup in question. Genealogists would fall over themselves looking for lost relations that fit the SM profile. So, yes, I am hopeful that SM will be identified within the next five years.

  163. There were two suicides in Adelaide in December 1948.

    We know that two middle-aged male bodies occupied shelves in the same refrigeration unit at the Adelaide mortuary from the 15th of December to the 23rd of February, both had been poisoned, both had similar autopsy incisions. One man had left only his name in a hotel register, the other body had no identification when found.

    During this period there were many visitors to the mortuary, all claiming to know the man whose face and profile had been published by the local press. These photographs were of the body discovered on the 1st of December and were taken by Police Photographer PJ Durham on the 3rd.

    No photographs of the body discovered on the 15th of December were released to the press.

    Laurie Elliott, a skilled embalmer, returned to Adelaide from England in early January and was invited by the police to visit the morgue where he was asked if he could embalm one of the two male bodies stored in the refrigeration unit. Elliott obliged and commenced work on the 10th of January assisted by Const Sutherland, who observed the body had three small scars inside the left wrist, one inside the left elbow and a scar or boil mark on the upper left forearm.

    One body was buried on February 23rd. The other remained in the mortuary and under Elliott’s maintenance until June, when taxidermist Paul Lawson made one plaster cast of its head and shoulders and one each of its ears. The flesh of the head, by all accounts, was in an advanced state of rot despite the embalming.

    Prior to casting the ears and removing the hardened plaster covering the body’s head and shoulders and piecing it together Lawson was visited by the police. Then he received a call from Police Photographer PJ Durham.

    Lawson and Durham talked about the disposal of the original body (see Lawsons’ notes). Some think they were talking about the first body found, in particular its ears as Lawson had yet to commence making his ear casts. They think the shape, size and structure of the ears Lawson attached to the bust were the result of the conversation he had with Durham, and were not those of the body he was working on.

    The Somerton body – 5’11”, eyes hazel, hair gingery turning grey, well-built, slight scar on the upper left arm*, about 45 years.

    Tibor Kaldor’s body – 5’6″, eyes grey, hair brown turning grey, build medium, 45 years.

    *GF p93.

    Laurie Elliott embalmed a body with five scars, Dwyer LQMP examined a body with one.

  164. pete bowes: as cockup scenarios go, it’s all ~possible~, but how does it actually help explain who the Somerton Man was? We know exactly who Tibor Kaldor was, and he was someone else.

  165. Pete bowes on September 9, 2016 at 7:20 am said:

    I don’t do answers, I’m in it for the information these days, and now you have more than you did an hour ago. If you can’t use it fair enough, others might have the energy to look further.

  166. Pete bowes: isn’t it strange that the Internet is full of information but almost devoid of knowledge?

  167. Pete bowes on September 9, 2016 at 8:50 am said:

    Clive chanced upon a newspaper article that changed everything …
    But everything remains the same here.

  168. Pete bowes: I don’t yet see how Gordon’s posts have changed anything. For a start, Tibor Kaldor was buried on 23 February 1949, and Lawson started on the plaster cast on June 2nd 1949: so Lawson can only ever have had one of the bodies to work with, and so we can eliminate all they-got-the-wrong-ears scenarios straight away.

    In which case, the only partially plausible scenario Gordon and Clive have is the shit-we-buried-the-wrong-body-let’s-hope-nobody-notices scenario. And that’s quite a hard sell. 😐

  169. Pete bowes on September 9, 2016 at 9:42 am said:

    .. as I said, everything remains the same here. I’ve enjoyed our little cross-blog chat, good luck with Dave and his gran, and the letters, we must not forget the letters.
    Best.
    Bowes.

  170. Pete bowes: good luck with Gordon Cramer and Xlamb on your side, I’m sure my ‘Dream Team’ would have a quite different line-up.

  171. bdid1dr on September 9, 2016 at 2:43 pm said:

    @ Pete and Nick: I’m laying bets on two of Nick’s frequent reply-ers: Misca and Milongal.

    bd

  172. Nick. Do you support or oppose the effort to exhume SM and do a DNA test? If yes, why. If no, why not. I support it because I believe this is the best and probably only way to ID him.

  173. Nick. After all these years, what do we know for certain? Are we certain Jestyn knew SM? Are we certain SM is her son Robin’s biological father or any relation at all? Are we certain Robin is Rachel Egan’s biological father? Are we certain SM was in Adelaide to meet Jestyn or Prosper? I say “No” to all these questions. Maybe, back in 1948, Jestyn told the truth. That she did not know who he was. Maybe, this family is a dead end.

  174. Bumpkin: all the while the primary reason for exhumation remains DNA fishing, something big is missing from the picture. Australia has excellent archives, what is missing is the historical imagination to make full use of them.

  175. Nick: No disrespect intended but I have no idea what that means. I merely asked a few simple questions and would appreciate a few simple answers.

  176. Nick: I first discovered the Tamam Shud/ Somerton Man case when it was featured on Wikipedia’s “On this day…” back in 2012. A year later, 60 Minutes- Australia had an interview with Nurse Jestyn’s daughter Kate and Jestyn’s presumed granddaughter Rachel Egan. At the time, I thought this was a major break in the case. However, since then, nothing. Absolutely nothing. What am I missing when I say “Maybe, this family is a dead end.”

  177. milongal on September 18, 2016 at 10:42 pm said:

    @Bumpkin if I may:
    After all these years, what do we know for certain?
    We know a body was found on a beach with a few posessions (including bus and train tickets). We know that some time later a suitcase left at the Railway station was most likely related. There’s a whole bunch of speculation, extrapolation, assumption etc that gives a much bigger picture, but I can’t help but feel even some of the “absolute definites” (eg “the bus ticket was sold between King William St and the corner of West and South Tces”) are built on assumptions, recollections and frankly a whole bunch of human factor which is not incorruptible (eg, with the tickets (or for that matter the suitcase stub) we rely on people after the fact making statements based on recollection and notes they may (or may not) have taken. What if the conductor didn’t write down the right ticket sequence number? What if he forgot to record any number and then had to cover his arse? The more recent MH370 debacle is a good example how a series of lies, misinterpretations and butt covering can lose a large aircraft – this case is far smaller scale and only needs a few white lies to create a totally different situation to what happened). Basically, we know very little for certain, but we have deduced a reasonable scenario which on the balance of probability explains a lot of what happened those days – just without the level of detail we want. We have no name, we have no identity. Without them, we can only speculate what SM was doing in Adelaide (or at Somerton). And we’re really good at the speculation – there’s a bout 10 different (relatively plausible) scenarios floating around (and a couple less plausible ones).

    Are we certain Jestyn knew SM?
    We have the curious reaction when she was shown the bust. Personally, I think this suggests she knew OF him, but didn’t necessarily know him (and I could also believe that she expected to see someone else, and that surprised her). It is sort of worth noting that her reaction is according to 2 people present (although they both said it at different times, and the memory is easily influenced by what other people say – and the reactions are described somewhat differently). I think a lot is read into the reaction, but I could quite easily explain it away (at least to some degree). For me the woman at the cemetery is more interesting (or at least a massive missed opportunity) – but there’s nothing to say it was Jestyn either….

    Are we certain SM is her son Robin’s biological father or any relation at all?
    Not even close to certain. Speculation of the highest degree, based around ears, I think.

    Are we certain Robin is Rachel Egan’s biological father?
    I assume so, but have never really followed that line at all.

    Are we certain SM was in Adelaide to meet Jestyn or Prosper?
    Not really. There’s some handy connections (the phone number, Jestyn’s reaction) and some more vague speculation (the unused train ticket to Henley Beach where Prosper had a house or property + the bus to Glenelg where they lived), but as I say little assumptions can quickly send us way off course. Of course, it’s also entirely possible that SM either lived in Adelaide (with no acquaintances) or was in Adelaide for other reasons and happened to run into them at some stage. IMO, the more theories lean toward government and military secrets the less I can see the Jestyn and/or Prosper connections. They don’t strike me as “normal” enough people to be spies (Prosper’s dealings are way too public (and dodgy, by the sounds)). Maybe Hollywood has shaped my perception of what a spy should look like (and maybe the fact that I dismiss them as likely spies shows that they could have been), but I struggle to see it…

    I suspect there may have been involvement between SM and this family, however I’d lean more toward it being business than pleasure.

    2c

  178. Milongal; Thank you for the responses. Do you support or oppose exhuming the body to do a DNA test?

  179. milongal on September 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm said:

    TBH I don’t really see the point – but perhaps I come from a strange angle. Firstly someone has to bear the cost of an exhumation (and I don’t think that should be the State Govt), and secondly, even if someone raised the funds for it (as DA might have? TBH I haven’t really followed much of his stuff, other than occasionally ending up on a Uni of Adelaide Electrical Engineering page when I’m googling) I don’t really see the justification. To me, any research into SM (or indeed any other long-unsolved mystery) is primarily for our own edification and doesn’t really benefit anyone.
    It’s possible there is a family who knows stuff but doesn’t want publicity – who stand to be offended/involved by people digging up their dead. I guess I don’t really see what it gains (as I said earlier, I think we all have an interest in an identification, but it’s not really for any greater good). Even if some of the conspiratorial theories about body switches were demonstrated to be likely, I’m not really sure what digging a body up would do (other than potentially prove it).

    I’d probably describe myself as fairly apathetic to the idea – I definitely don’t support it, but I wouldn’t lobby against it either. It may answer some questions, or it may create a lot more (as seems to happen all too often in this case). It does, however, sort of lead to an interesting question – at what point do we consider this to be solved? Does knowing who SM was (as in name and family) appease us, or do we need more? In many respects, I’m far more interested in how/why he ended up dying at Somerton Beach (or how his body ended up there) than the specifics of his heritage (and while knowing who he was might help a little toward tracing his movements, it also might not. Even if Robyn was an illegitimate son he fathered, that only connects him to Jestyn who we sort of already connect him to – and it still may not tell us who he is).

  180. milongal on September 19, 2016 at 11:41 pm said:

    Totally off topic, this morning as I waited for a bus it occurred to me (as may have been discussed to some degree) that we can’t really connect SM to the train station. Let’s forget about the suitcase for a second (even if it was his, or linked to him, there’s nothing to say HE left it at the station). His personal belongings are difficult to resolve. He had spent money on 2 tickets (and possibly a pasty), yet had no wallet and no money (pretty unusual to have planned far enough ahead to know that you carry exact change for 2 tickets (at least 1 unused – Wiki insists that the bus ticket could not be proven to be used, although my understanding is that it was linked to a series that was sold by a conductor on board) and a pasty – it’s possible to use up the money exactly without pre-planning (eg that’s why he had a pasty not a pie, or something) but it deserves attention. Of course, someone going to the beach wouldn’t necessarily need a wallet – but he was hardly dressed for the beach. So someone took the wallet – nothing particularly unlikely in that…except the unused Train ticket. Surely a train ticket is something you put in your wallet if you pre-purchase, to me it doesn’t seem like something you thrust into your pocket if you intend to use it (and had purchased it some time before travel). So the presence of the unused ticket in his pockets and the absence of any money seem to ask a lot of questions – in fact it’s almost suggestive of (at least the train ticket) having been deliberately planted, and at that point we have to question all the belongings in the pockets. These days, there’s a 2 hour transfer on Adelaide public transport. I don’t know whether that would have been the case back then (certainly rail and bus ticketing were independent then, but not sure whether an MTT bus ticket might have been valid for transfers on any MTT service), however for whatever reason he also kept this used bus ticket (ok, that one’s easier to explain away – people do that (although the buses used to have a “used ticket” bin by the centre door – and the old buses used to have signs “please exit via centre door” (NB: When I lived in Canberra I used to get confused because rear doors were only used at interchanges – even in artics, so you almost always alighted by the front door)). So these two tickets which tie SM to the railway station (the bus one was believed to have been the 6th of 9(?) sold between the railway station and the corner of West and South Tce. I don’t really know what the routes were like back then, however I know West and South is identifiable as a Section change (with the entire city square mile being 1 section). The insistence “between railway station and” to me suggests the bus cut in at the railway station (ie that was it’s first stop), because if it had travelled the length of North Tce as they do now then the ticket could have been bought anywhere on that stretch (not knowing public transport of that era, I suppose there’s a possibility that cross-town routes changed number at KW St (ie the railway station), but I think that’s unlikely because it would make a lot more sense to change route number as you enter the city (as they do now)). Certainly I would think back then the Railway Station would be the busiest stop between there and Anzac Highway, so 6th ticket is quite plausibly sold there).

    Sorry that drifted a long way. The tickets bug me – and to me at least one of them seems to be planted (so why not both). This in turn means that there is no direct link between SM and the railway station that day (well, other than that pesky suitcase – for which he didn’t have a stub? – this possibly strengthens the idea that his wallet was stolen; or that he didn’t deposit the suitcase there) – and all the speculation about him going to the baths (for which he didn’t have a ticket?) starts to get a little flaky. Of course, once we start to get into evidence planting we’re suddenly getting into conspiratorial territories where I don’t like to go. Not that it implies government involvement (which I’ve read in a few places was confirmed at some stage – although only by descendents of Jestyn (who likely wouldn’t know), not people directly involved at the time), but it does imply a more organised (even pre-meditated if you think about the tickets had to be purchased that morning) murder rather than an opportunistic one…

    Alternatively, perhaps the perpetrator(s) were looking for something in the wallet. Perhaps there they found one or both tickets and left them. So perhaps we can explain the absence of a wallet and the presence of the tickets without evidence planting. But what were they looking for then? If you’re looking for money you only need open a wallet, not take anything out (and if you want money and have killed someone you’d likely take the wallet and look at it later). Were they (for whatever inexplicable reason) looking for the Tamam Shud fragment? Was there something else they wanted (possibly which they found)?

    Once again we just raise more questions than we answer….

  181. IMO, this case will be solved when, if at all possible; A) Somerton Man has been positively identified. B) The manner and cause of death has been determined. C) If this was a homicide, a person of interest has been identified. As to who should pay for the exhumation; IMO the government, that is, the tax-payers of South Australia should. Why? Because that’s what governments are supposed to do.

  182. milongal on September 20, 2016 at 10:52 pm said:

    Not to play devil’s advocate but….
    A) What do you consider “positive identification” – is a name enough, or do we actually need to understand his “place in the world” (for lack of a better term)? There’s been plenty people buried (with name and all) where noone really knew their real identity (in the early 90’s I remember someone from a church I was going to at the time being found dead. No relatives could be found, and noone claimed the body. I can’t remember whether he was given a pauper’s funeral or whether someone within the church funded the funeral, and he was buried under the name everyone there had known him by – but from memory there was some question as to whether that was actually his real name.
    B) I suspect this will never be anything but speculation – we might refine some of the knowledge we have now, but I think we’ll never categorically know (that is, if we don’t trust the current “official” cause of death (poisoning by digitalis ) why would we trust another? I think we could (but not necessarily will) get a much clearer picture on how he came to be poisoned, and perhaps by whom and I suppose that might make the cause clearer too….
    C) I don’t particularly see that there’s anything in the public interest to be gained through exhumation, and disagree the burden should be on the taxpayer (that is, I don’t see that the state or the people in the state actually achieve anything by it). That said, there are probably plenty of examples of money worse spent in the state and (I’d imagine) an exhumation would be relatively cheap in comparison. I also don’t think (from a government point of view) that closing a 70 year old cold case is all that important.

    WARNING: Rant ahead….
    This case is interesting (read: weird) to us because there’s an unknown element and any hint of the mysterious brings out the Sherlock in all of us. But just because we have a academic (used very loosely) interest, doesn’t really mean it means anything to the state. I guess the pragmatist in me asks what would we gain through an exhumation and who would that gain benefit? I tend to think whoever benefits can chip in the coin – especially since if there is an identity to be found through exhumation it was suppressed by relatives of the people now demanding the state allow them identification (that is, if SM is Robin’s dad and Jestyn knew he was (or even could have been) then she had plenty of chance to say so (either officially or to others in the family quietly) – if her descendants now want to know they either need to pester relatives who might have been told, or cough up the dough).

    2c

  183. Milongal: Thank you for your responses. I assume Nick feels the same way. I guess this mystery this is fated to go unsolved.

  184. Bumpkin: not for the first time (and hopefully not for the last), I see the Somerton Man evidential landscape completely differently from everyone else, and am highly optimistic we will make progress before very long. 🙂

  185. Nick; without a DNA test, how will we ever know for sure?

  186. Bumpkin: there are a millions other ways to be sure, DNA is but one path of many that stand a chance of steering us in the right direction.

  187. milongal on September 22, 2016 at 10:38 pm said:

    At the moment Gordon is going interesting directions. He still hasn’t convinced me that the direction he’s going is related to SM (mainly because I can only really see hints of microcode on the “bank” notes, not in most of the other places they’re claiming it – and they seem to have found an incredible amount of “microcode” but remarkably haven’t been able to read most of it), but there’s certainly some interesting stuff there irrespective.

    trademark digression….
    IMO it all still comes back to what we consider to be “solved”. Does knowing a name mean we’ve “solved” it? I can’t help but think that it will never be conclusively “solved” – or at least no matter what the evidence, there will always be people who read it differently, or insist that there’s some more complicated conspiracy going on. Personally I think things will turn out to be (relatively) mundane. In particular, claims that higher authorities were suppressing the investigation don’t really make sense to me – AFAIK (I think I read it somewhere) this was the first time a “John Doe” was embalmed in SA – hardly the sort of thing that would happen when a higher authority wants the “John Doe” forgotten, inaccessible and unsolvable IMHO. Further, the whole Rubaiyat doesn’t fit in with suppression – even if the fragment is found by lower authorities unaware of the higher authority interest, the twists beyond that (eg the conveniently (so conveniently people speculate it’s an obvious plant) found rubaiyat book) is totally unnecessary (and therefore unlikely to be deliberate).
    To me (almost) every “flag” that there was some higher authority at work are actually strong indications of the opposite – while they may appear to deliberately confuse the investigation, they are totally unnecessary and only serve to promote interest in what would otherwise have become a soon forgotten “suspicious death” – and that’s surely the opposite of what the higher authority would want. Dead “John Doe’s” are easily forgotten if investigation can go nowhere – but this case seemed to throw up more and more avenues of inquiry over time…which is really the main reason some of us are interested in it today.

  188. milongal: is there anything vaguely connected to the Somerton Man that hasn’t yet had microcode ‘detected’ on it?

  189. milongal on September 22, 2016 at 11:19 pm said:

    Oh, and today the shiny shoes bother me. There was polish in the suitcase left at the station, but that couldn’t have been used after the suitcase was checked in. So at a minimum (assuming he shined his shoes immediately before checking the case in) we’ve walked from the station to the bus-stop (this was before the underpass and escalators/elevators obviously, so that’s a (relatively steep) flight of stairs to North Tce, then crossing North Tce (I *assume* the bus-stop is where W1is now (outside the Strathmore hotel (I had in my head that there used to be some other Strath* (Strathmont??) in the city, but google suggests I’m just crazy)….there did used to be a stop West of that outside the hotel there (Stamford Plaza?) and another one East (where EDS (probably HP now) House is now) – and there’s nothing to say he boarded anywhere near the station either (other than potentially time constraints). The old buses would have had fairly steep steps in them too (a whole 2 of them to get on), and it’s often hard not to kick stuff under the seat in the bus). Then as far as I can tell, the closest the St Leonard’s bus came to Glenelg is the corner of Adelphi Tce and Anzac Hwy (there is a bus stop on Adelphi Tce today, and there is also 100m or so West of it on Anzac Hwy) – but that’s somewhere in the order of 2km walking (about 30 minutes), over terrain that may have included unsealed roads and paddocks back then). And given that was AM that was only the beginning of his day…and he’s already had plenty of opportunity to scuff up his shoes…

    The comment about the shoes being unusually unscuffed is (to me) odd – especially when they say something like “for someone who had walked around the beach all day”. Most Adelaide beaches (like all beaches?) have 2 different textures of sand – soft dry sand closer to land, and compacted, harder, wet sand closer to the sea. The softer stuff is hard to walk in, and gets into your shoes, but I’m not sure it would scuff them any, and the harder stuff tends to stay put (unless you actually walk really close to the water where you might sink in a little). As such, I’m surprised they talk about the (absence of) scuffing in relation to the beach as opposed to the rest of his travels that day….

    I sort of think if we can explain some of the apparent anomalies in the small scale, the bigger picture might start to come into focus….

  190. Nick and milongal; Thank you for your responses. Re: DNA, I must respectively disagree.

  191. Nick; Unless their is a major breakthrough in the case, I have nothing else to contribute. Bumpkin

  192. milongal on September 25, 2016 at 10:34 pm said:

    @Nick: Well, I’m waiting for the bus and train tickets to surface – they’d surely be good candidates for some microwriting, wouldn’t they?

    Of course my favourite so far is on the cover of GF’s book….

  193. milongal on September 25, 2016 at 11:11 pm said:

    As you have likely seen, the blogspot site has published a SAPol document from 1959 summarising the case….
    there’s 2 things (other than the absence of microcode) that strike me as interesting about the document:
    1) It’s purpose is the investigation of a possible kiwi connection
    2) the layout of the code in the document (each line has been split in 2 inconsistently) and some of the letters are wrong

    Regarding #2 above:
    The first ‘D’ on line 2 is the first ‘B’ on line one in the picture that normally
    circulates (this I would otherwise dismiss as a mistake in transcription).
    All the M/Ws appear to be interepreted as ‘M’ (which TBH was my original instinct)
    The ‘W’ in line 4 of the transcript is clearly an ‘N’ in line 2 of the ‘original’ (W and N are nowhere near each other on a typewriter, and there is little ambiguity if it was transcribed off the code page as we see it today (I also think the ‘D’ could be a ‘P’)
    The lines are split roughly in half, however line one and 4 is split smaller half then larger half, lines 2 and three are larger half then smaller half – and there’s no apparent reason to split the lines – there is a lot of room on that page to have transcribed them in the same line lengths (there is hints of spaces at some of those breaks, I suppose (definitely line 3) – but to me the flourish on the AB at the end (and the length of that line) would indicate a signature…which is far less subtle than changing spaces in the text….
    So….The code potentially looks (to a suspicious and conspiratorial mind) that the code was transcribed by someone who had some idea of how it should be laid out. While I struggle to convince myself that there is anything more than the mundane explanation (someone just arbitrarily split the lines and made some mistakes in transcription), it bothers me rather a lot – at the very least I think it shows how the police were thinking about the code at the time….

    Totally randomly, it also occurred to me while reading that letter that if ‘KEANE’ were printed (rather than written with a texta) and you only had one of each letter it would become ‘KEAN’ unless you were willing to print twice. In fact I say printed, but the bit that got my attention was that (the laundry bag at least) was STAMPED according to the document. (Although as I think I’ve said before I think Kean(e) is somewhat irrelevant…..it is either unrelated or was put there as a smokescreen – in which case it’s relatively useless too).

  194. I’d say, by the look of it, that Gordon Cramer is a lot further on than you are, milongal.

  195. Petebowes: if only we could gauge our distance from the truth by counting the number of words written. Only in that world, in my opinion, is Gordon making progress.

  196. You’ve got more than a few of your own written down here.

  197. Petebowes: you’ve written a lot yourself, even if you have taken it all down a few times. 😐

  198. Pete bowes on September 26, 2016 at 10:01 pm said:

    After years of research you are still in the same place you started, not a position to judge in my view, so perhaps you could consider a hard pruning.

  199. milongal on September 26, 2016 at 10:32 pm said:

    @pete – There’s no doubt he’s a lot further than I am. I’m just not certain he’s further in the right direction. There’s certainly aspects of his research that are very interesting, and he (and Clive) certainly seem to have researched their angle very thoroughly. I’m just not convinced it ties together with SM quite as well as he asserts….

    But who knows, he may yet prove me wrong.

  200. petebowes: as far as the Somerton Man goes, you clearly have not the faintest inkling of what I’ve been researching over the past couple of years, nor how far I’ve got with it. Which is good.

    If I say that it includes about as much microcode as can be found between my toes, that’s probably not giving too much away, though.

  201. Pete bowes on September 26, 2016 at 11:42 pm said:

    I remember you telling the Americans who wanted you in their podcast that you had something sensational coming up and couldn’t spare the time for the ten minute interview, that was six months ago.
    Promises are one thing, delivery is another.

  202. Milongal: What “blog spot” are you referring to?

  203. Pete bowes: I was very close to posting my Somerton Man research around then, but lost interest thanks to the intensely personal attacks I was receiving on a regular basis.

    But you’ve pruned all that from your site, so your conscience is presumably clean now.

  204. Pete bowes on September 27, 2016 at 6:12 am said:

    You let Chloe loose … how convenient of you to forget the poor handicapped schoolgirl and her infamous accusations on this site. That was very poor of you Nick, and permanently fractured our online friendship.

  205. Pete bowes: what I saw was a series of posts made through a proxy within 50 or so metres of a Children’s support centre. You published the sender’s IP addresses and email address, and promptly got trolled by someone else.

    If you ever had any proof the original sender was a troll, you never shared it.

  206. You posted lies.

    With respect to your readers, who must be as sick of this as I am, goodbye.

  207. peteb: by openly publishing (what still seems to me to be, as I can see not an iota of proof otherwise) a handicapped minor’s email address on your blog, you acted irresponsibly and exposed her to all manner of trolling attacks.

    And even now you continue (a) to protest your innocence in the matter, (b) to blame other people (OK, specifically me) for your personal mistakes of judgment, and (c) to flounce off when discussion doesn’t go the way you would like it to.

    I reiterate (for the nth time), if you have the tiniest piece of proof that demonstrates that she is the troll you say she is, please feel free to share. Otherwise it just looks as though you made a series of errors of judgment you’d in retrospect rather were someone else’s fault.

  208. Nick; For the life of me, I don’t understand why anybody would ever troll anybody. Especially over a case that is almost 68 years old and is of limited interest to the general public. Don’t people have anything better to do with their lives?

  209. milongal on September 27, 2016 at 9:46 pm said:

    @Bumpkin: Gordon Cramer – tamamshud dot blogspot dot com

  210. milongal on September 27, 2016 at 10:22 pm said:

    @Bumpkin re trolls: This case seems to bring out the worst in a lot of people. There’s been a whole host of trolls all with their own agenda (usually some strange idea that they would gain some sort of infamy being directly connected to the case) – so much so it’s often difficult to gauge who is and who isn’t a troll.

    There’s a(n increasing) number of places online where the case is discussed (and in each of them some of the discussion turns nasty). IMO, they can sort of be sumarised by these 4 (+ anemptyglass which is briefly mentioned below):
    1) Professor Derek Abbott – a few years ago Prof Abbott (a professor at the school of Electrical Engineering at Uni of Adelaide) had some post-grads use the case for their project – I’m not sure the EE angle, but I think there was a Math angle analysing the code. I don’t really know whether his interest in the case came before that, but somewhere along the way he decided his wife was directly related and an exhumation was necessary. His site is pretty good for stating the original known facts of the case (although some of them seem to contradict across different pages – but that happens on all sites). I haven’t spent loads of time on his site, but I have found it the easiest place to find itemised lists of SM’s possessions and the like (Although anemptyglass has become a very good resource bringing together a lot of the facts and theories into a wiki-like site – I’m not certain, but I think the person running that originally posted a lot of ideas here).
    2) This site: (as you will have noticed) SM is not Nick’s primary interest, but at different times he has posted loads of information/research/speculation in quick succession. Personally, I like that on this site there’s a reasonably open mind that “anything is possible”, but with a lean toward “Occam’s Razor” (ie we don’t need elaborate spy conspiracies to explain this). This site has attracted a lot of fights, trolls and other interesting stuff – ironically often caused when bloggers from the other sites visit. I like the ideas on this site (asnd to me the Fred Pruzinski connection still makes a lot of sense), I get disappointed when Nick focuses on his true love too much (the Voynich Manuscript) and we go months without an SM blog (but in the current climate any post would likely just stir up some fireworks)
    3) Gordon Cramer’s site (tamamshud) which originally claimed to be more “properly” investigative than any other (he’s an ex-policeman from the UK, I think) and has a disclaimer at the top about an American ex-intelligence group who GC is apparently a part of (I actually had a look, and it didn’t appear membership was too difficult for non-American members – it included 1 question “are you willing to pay the yearly subscription?”). IMO this disclaimer (and the connection to this group) is a deliberate attempt to legitimise his site over all others. The comments on his site can be quite interesting, but often seem to be regular groupies whose best contribution is “wow, I wish we were awesome, because you’re right”). Sometime in the last year or two, it started to focus on some “microwriting” that was claimed to be visible (I’m very skeptical of it for lots of reasons, not least because I don’t think there’s a satisfactory explanation of how it could be on any of the current pictures of the code page that we have – but I could (and have) spend a lot of time arguing about that). This soon involved Gerry Feltus (whose book is considered by all the researchers I’ve mentioned to be an authoritative version of the state of affairs before they started researching their way) – and GC claimed there was microwriting on the cover of his book (and that some GF references proved he knew about the presence of this alleged microcode). More recently (but still based on the microcode) GC has drifted to a specific group of immigrants, one of whom happened to be poisoned in Adelaide around the same time as SM. The research into that group is certainly interesting, however for now I still think the link back to SM is hazy at best (but I’m not prepared to make the call that he’s definitely barking up the wring tree). I sort of get a feeling that he might stumble across the right identity, but not for the right reasons.
    4) Pete’s site (tomsbytwo). I find this site a little ironic. Pete is a fiction writer, writing a fictionalised story around SM, but is quick to accuse other people of making things up or not fact-checking properly. I originally found his site to be interesting, but found he was quick to engage people who disagreed with him and try to shut them down (sometimes quite agressively). He also seems to have his little troupe of supporters, however if you’re looking for facts around the case I’m not sure his is the best site to go to, simply because it deals in fiction. He also prominently posts here and on GC’s site….

    I’m one of the mad people who likes to post here (largely because I feel GC has blinkers once he comes up with an idea, and PB comes across as a bit abrasive)….but I’m sure some people enjoy the other sites too. To each their own, eh?

  211. Pete bowes on September 28, 2016 at 6:31 am said:

    Thanks Milongal, I’m slowly maturing with age and finding people easier to forgive.
    .. sound of door slowly closing again.

  212. Milongal

    I get disappointed when Nick focuses on on the Somerton man for posts on end, and we go months without a post about the Voynich Manuscript,

    – You know Aesop’s fable? of the man, the boy and the donkey?

  213. Diane: I wish the donkey hadn’t died (in many versions). 😐

  214. Nick,
    I wish they’d had two donkeys.. or some ear-plugs.

    🙂

  215. Diane: I wish they’d had the courage of their convictions not to listen to the well-meaning (but contradictory) advice of others. 😉

  216. Milongal; Thank you for the responses and info. I, too, like this site the best, probably because Nick seems like a normal person and doesn’t have an ax to grind. By that, I mean, no pet theories. I have no interest in the Voynich Manuscript or any of Nick’s other passions. I wait, sometimes for weeks, for a SM update. You mentioned “empty glass.” What is that? Thank you.

  217. milongal on September 28, 2016 at 10:35 pm said:

    @Diane: lol – sorry, didn’t mean that as a criticism of Nick (or the site).

  218. Tammy Should on October 2, 2016 at 9:27 pm said:

    Adelaide papers today featuring the Prof.

    Not sure it’s new news, but they’re reporting that the DNA points strongly to East Coast USA origin.

    Does that nix any current theories?

  219. Shirley on October 7, 2016 at 8:20 am said:

    After extensive research on my ‘organist’ theory I have come to the conclusion that that has become a dead end. However, looking further into the suitcase contents I tried to find the origin of the items. I have found the tie to be a very particular one.
    http://hansensclothing.com/kings-dragoon-guards-british-regimental-tie-by-robert-talbott/
    I have found the exact same tie, different manufacturers but always with the ‘(king/queen) dragoon-guards-regimental-tie’ description. That is a cavalry regiment of the British Army that existed in many shapes and forms all over the world. If the SM belonged to this regiment, the items such as the stencil brush could have been his gun cleaning tools. It would also explain his good physical shape, the calve muscles (horseriding) and even the one collar stud, as the guards had detachable collars. As the army is very firm on shoe polishing and neatness that would also explain some known facts on the SM. Anyone interested in further exploring this?

  220. Shirley on October 7, 2016 at 10:18 am said:

    Has anyone researched the suitcase label? Would A48605 be a traveling label or is it a label police gave to evidence? Is it possible that the label is in fact a date, that would be 1948, 6th of mei of 5th of june?

  221. Anton Alipov on October 14, 2016 at 9:25 pm said:

    Just to throw in a consideration which occurred to me by way of idle association a couple of days ago. I found no better place for that than this thread. 🙂

    It is about that curios development of the man’s legs. It’s being said it was characteristic for a runner or a dancer. What about horse riding? I mean cavalry, of course.

  222. Anton: it has always struck me that this is likely to be a “one way” piece of evidence, that may make sense in retrospect (once we know who he was) but points in far too many vague directions simultaneously to be useful now. :-/

  223. Just a question. Has there been any photos of his hands. If he was a smoker he would have discolouration on two fingers. If not he did not smoke.

  224. Most smokers have an indent on their lip.

  225. Just found the answer. Was trying to work out a heavy smoker always has lighter/matches and smokes on them.

  226. Akhenaton_1611 on November 4, 2016 at 1:24 pm said:

    I got this: Abroad inmate ca(q)ao (island)…also…from other logic…:Embargo Slip….

  227. Akhenaton_1611 on November 4, 2016 at 1:29 pm said:

    much accurate…maybe is coco island (prison)….

  228. John sanders on November 13, 2016 at 8:13 am said:

    Akhenaton 1611: Prison Island, Cocos-Keeling group (Aust), possible transit stop for m.v. Tirranna on outward route Melb. to Mombasa with garrison supplies. Did passenger Mikkelsen have another lucky escape?

  229. Bumpkin on December 1, 2016 at 11:21 pm said:

    Nick; Well another year has come and gone. Are we any closer to ID’ing the SM today, than a year ago? I think not. Do you still oppose an exhumation?

  230. John sanders on December 10, 2016 at 8:54 am said:

    Don’t know what the Safpol property room was like in ’48 but I can tell you that in the seventies if one of the lads had a special date and needed some good kit, anything in the nature of wearing apparel could be ‘borrowed’ as long as it was not sealed and labelled as not for removal, and so long a it was signed for, then later returned clean and or polished. Of course the other thing about SM’s spit shined size nine bespokes is that they could have been schmicked-up for his big day at West Terrace and if I’m not mistaken it was some months after his confinement that Big Jack C. or Doc. Dwyer first commented on them. The only troubling aspect of this proposition is that I like most others are still trying to establish for sure that he had two pairs ie one for his funeral and a second pair for Mr. Littlemore’s event of ’78, if not then DA will probably find him bare footed. Speaking of DA is it true that the ‘some one who came knocking’ actually came to the house at Mentone and not Glenelg as I have always been led to believe, not so according to the prof’s blog 2 yrs & 3 myths back. According to wiki’s mostly accurate site it stated that the visitor called in late ’48 which would obviously support my held belief; were there two people seeking our Jessica at to different times & places. Any takers.

  231. I will try to solve the cipher. I will have paper, pencil, google translate, and my autistic brain to solve it.

  232. milongal on December 30, 2016 at 10:33 pm said:

    Here’s a “solution” to the cipher I’d not seen before…..of course, the suicide idea doesn’t sit well for a good number of reasons, nonetheless.

    http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=7937871 [then jump to page 169 -Nick-]

    NB: I was reading some John Ruffles (the postman who in 1977 was convinced SM could have been a spy – although he seemed reluctant to say more than “could have” and “well it’s possible”). There’s certainly an interesting (and plausible) digression to Harry Gold meeting other spies using pages from books (that said, I’m not convinced the “code” itself is relevant – to me it doesn’t really make sense as anything other than a love poem acrostic (or similar))

  233. Autism: Good luck with your quest and don’t worry that many others have failed because with your unique autistic talents you may see things in a perspective that others cannot. Don’t feel so bad if it doesn’t work out for you because there is another cipher on this very site that we believe may be right down your alley and no one can make head nor tail out of it. The person who devised it was probably autistic and thereby much smarter in his own unique way than any of us who are obviously not equipped mentally to work out the logic. It’s the Ricky McCormick enigma and comprises two sets of apparently undeciperable sheets of his own written words that his mother refers to as ‘bird scratch marks’. If you happen to have some friends at your special school or workplace then perhaps you could all get involved with it as a joint project. Anyway good luck and all the best for ’17

  234. Pete bowes on December 31, 2016 at 10:34 am said:

    Ditto that on the Voynich Manuscript .. the guy who thought that up must have supped on every hallucination mentioned in Timothy Leary’s diary.
    Happy New Year John Sanders, and you Bids … here’s to notoriety.

  235. Pete: Fair go mate, talk about giving a dog a bad name. Nick: 19 to go and give us your best shots, I’m just an old counter puncher at heart and relish any fair challenge; your a good sport. As for you Gordon & Clive, something very very big is going down, but fifty years too late to help our old buddy on the beach. Thanks Misca, Byron, Milongal Anors. for keeping me honest; much appreciated and a huge happy to all you New Year Muppets for 2017. PS. o.k. NP I concede it wasn’t a Minx, it was a Humber Super Snipe. Cheers ‘hic’ everybody. js

  236. J. BOWMAN on January 30, 2017 at 6:37 am said:

    1ST LINE – MALE – RECESSIVE GENE – OAB, AB D…. USED IN GENOMIC DNA TESTING
    3RD LINE -NO “TB“(AS IN TIBCULOSIS) / MP (MALARIA) AND NEGATIVE ETP-LEUKEMIA/LYMPHOMA..
    4TH LINE – ML/ABO IS A BLOOD GROUP AND GENETIC MARKER WITHIN THE STUDY AND DETECTION OF DISEASE… O IS THE ONLY BLOOD GROUP THAT CAN BE TRANSFUSED TO ALL BLOOD TYPES. A1AQC IS ALSO A BLOOD TEST FOR INHERITED GENETIC DEFICIENCIES IN INFANTS…ALONG WITH OLDER MEN , OVER 40, SUFFERING FROM EMPHYSEMA, ASSOCIATED WITH SMOKING, ALONG THE SMALL-ANGLE PICTOGRAPH INDICATING IT’S ON THE LOW END ( RESULT OF THE TESTING )
    5TH LINE – TTM IS A VIRUS ASSOCIATED WITH HEPATITUS, TSA TESTS FOR TUMOR SPECIFIC ANTIGENS IN THE DETECTION OF CANCER, MS – MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS , TGAB – THYROGLOBULIN AND THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODY.

  237. My Rage Goes On About Being A Bad Doctor

    My Life Is A Damn Lie

    Will The Bad In Me Paint A Not Exactly True Picture

    My Life Is A Bad Omen As I Am Quite Sure

    I Thought That My Training Should Alter My State To Going All Bad

    No one recognized him due to him being a WOMAN DOCTOR by day. The reason that Jestyn was so taken aback and almost fainted was that she recognized HIM/HER as a Colleague or Lover perhaps. The numbers were bed numbers of people that were assassinated the same way he was, “UNTRACEABLE”! His feet and legs were that of a WOMAN who was a dancer or wore HIGH HEELS most of the time. Apparently he was leaving and was discovered by someone unknown and used the same cocktail on him that he used on the others. He was a PSYCHO! Just like in the MOVIE… I suggested they look for a missing woman Doctor at the hospital that Jestyn worked in. No one recognized him as a MAN.
    Oh, I already sent this to the Smithsonian…

  238. There is a street name in this code. (CQPENRD )this is( SECU PEN ROAD) and he was 47 years of age.

  239. WILLIAM on February 19, 2017 at 8:47 pm said:

    IT’S A LIST FOR INFO ON THE WAR

    WR GO ABA BAD
    ML IA OI
    WT BI MP AN ET P
    X
    ML IA BO AI AQC
    ITT MT SAM STG AB

    WR weapon radius
    GO General Order
    ABA Allotment/Bond Authorization
    ABD airbase defense

    ML Missile Launch
    IA Information Attack
    OI operating instruction

    WT warping tug
    BI battle injury
    MP Mission Profile
    AN Army-Navy
    ET Elapsed Time
    P parallel pattern; priority

    X initial position error

    ML Missile Launch
    AI area of interest
    BO Battle Orders
    AI Air Interdiction
    AQC Aircraft Qualification

    ITT International Telephone and Telegraph
    MT Minot
    SAM special airlift mission
    STG Special Tactics Group
    AB Air Base

  240. Wagner Richard Gravestone Oberst Accoutrements Box Andersons Bay Dunedin.
    Mortality Links Inplace AAP Obituaries Immemorial.
    W/less Treatise’ Blurts Intercepts Microfilm Plant Adler King Edward tracing pencils.
    M/script Located Insitu Ashes Box 0+ Adelaide Interments Adventist Quaker Coptic.
    Inst.Tele. Trans. Mutual Trustees Surrogate Alan Marshall Solicitor T & G Adelaide.
    Line 3 may refer.. Tabulated Axis Military Assetts Materiel & Series Hagelar Ultra Decryption or TAMAM SHUD for short.
    Line 4 may refer.. Teutonic Aryan Masters Abridged Manifesto. Serving Humanity & Unilateral Detente or TAMAM SHUD for short.
    0+ may refer to a burial plot with a slanted tee to Identify correct site.
    Just another stab in the dark and probably not as clever as the original but nobody has come up with The Final Solution to the best of my knowledge.

  241. Missed Branch after T & G Adelaide, and as usual I’ve included the underlined troublesome second line mainly because I always thought it to be of some reference.

  242. Eammon on March 2, 2017 at 1:54 pm said:

    Even simpler than an acrostic, perhaps? Furtive writing the first initial of male hospital patients at the time, as mnemonic. Using the book as backing and disguise whilst doing rounds along ward corridor explains the irregular handwriting. Crossed then re-introduced line indicates change of mind with new patients being inserted at a later date.

  243. Eamon: Works OK for me and it may well have been the confused thoughts of a demented mind trying to put things together whilst his ability to cope unravels. Those hospitals must have been a mad house literally with POWs and war neurosis cases landing on their doorstep towards the end of ’45 and through ’46. It can be reasonably implied that both patients as well as their carers might have been under the same mental strains and there are grounds to suggest that such people could be influenced and taken advantage of by others in the prevailing unusual circumstances for nefarious purposes such as espionage or criminal doings. One case in point did involve a hospital worker whose company was actively engaged printing certain promotional literature for the Victorian communist party from 1942 and who knows what else he and possible associates could have been up to.

  244. I just started reading about this case today but it is fascinating. A few quick questions/ comments. For one thing I didn’t know where Adalaide is located in Australia so I read up on it and saw that much of the Australian military is located in the area. Is there anything that would indicate a U.S. spy being there at the time? Recent DNA testing indicates he may be from Virginia, which was the home of the OSS and War Department during WW II. A spy would clearly explain why no one knew him or reported him missing. The theory about him being a transvestite is a little bizarre but these people are known to use lockers and suitcases in which to hide their double lives. Just wondering and thanks.

  245. Bric: I might have to stand corrected but whilst Adelaide was a hub for military activities during ww2 and through the cold war era with its rocketry, atom tests etc. that sort of activity has gone by the wayside in recent years. As for the Virginian Jefferson/Randolph connection, ever since DNA’s emergence as a means of back checking genealogy, everyone seems to have their dynastic routes tied into those families, black, white and native american as well, so I guess that could also work with Somerton Man. With regards to the other query, suggest you check out ‘Tamam Shud Return from the abyss’, John Alexander Scott Coutes (john Willie), Bizarre and London Life mags from the ’30s/40s era.

  246. Wondering whether any of you old hands ever came across Eugene (possibly not his real name), the underwear road vendor from Marseilles, who jumped ship in both Perie and Port Adelaide in the early ’20s. He had attempted suicide some years later whilst on the road in Adelaide, was prosecuted for it, and with a slap on the (other) wrist for lack of resoursfulness, he promptly disappeared forever it seems….Nice to have Barry Traish looking in on things once again and we can only hope that he visits with us to impart some if his intuitive logic, objectivity and charismatic nonchalance, for which he is apparently unequaled.

  247. B Deveson on March 7, 2017 at 8:00 am said:

    On November 7th 2013 I said (2012 ADVENT CALENDAR DAY #3: “THE BOXALL CODE”…”
    “In about 2001, just after the story in the Weekend Australian on Somerton Man (“The man with no name” Janet Fife-Yeomans), a retired policemen put out an inquiry asking for anyone with any information to contact him. He had mentioned that most of the SA police files were missing. I did a quick check of the NAA system and located three files so I contacted the policeman and gave him the details of these files. Unfortunately I have lost many of my records and all of this is from memory.
    I seem to remember that this policeman said he was doing work for the SA police investigating old cases.
    I think that the descriptions of the files indicated that they were SA police files, so it is possible that the SA police asked for them back. I think the policeman had a Scottish surname, possibly McDonald or McIntyre. It wasn’t Gerry Feltus.

    Incidentally, in the follow up generated by the Fife-Yeomans’ article somebody mentioned that some of SMs dental work was of Eastern European origin (not further explained). It might pay to go back to the Fife-Yeomans article and see what responses it generated.” (Note added: and get the precise quote concerning the dental work).

    I still think that it would pay to go back and see what comments might have been published after SM articles such as Fife-Yeoman’s. I did start trawling back through the newspapers but prettier flowers were sighted, and I was diverted into all sorts of interesting information glades. I am still lost.

  248. BD: Could it have been Ian McDougall; If so, you couldn’t have been connected with anyone more diligent and determined to get the truth, either by fair means or whatever; get in his way and he just picks up steam. If you look carefully you’ll note that he’s been checking in on one of the old team of late, I think…Then again could it have been Murray Matheson, but he was with the other mob in Canberra, or so he would like us all to believe, and definitely not someone I could recommend under any set of circumstances.

  249. B Deveson on March 7, 2017 at 9:59 am said:

    John, is this him?
    The Register (Adelaide) 11th August 1926 page 12
    “Frederick Eugene Azlin, a young French man, who has been four years in Australia, admitted a charge at the Adelaide Iohce Court on Tuesday, that he had at tempted to commit suicide last Saturday. He told Mr. E. M. Sabine, P.M., that his war injuries had affected his health and his mind, and he had been worried on account of being unable to work, and to pay his board……”
    There appear to be three files in the NAA collection relating to this man. His surname may have been Asselin and he claimed to have been born in France 1898.

  250. Byron, surely is and yes I’m familiar with the NAA files. Don’t believe that Asselin is relevant and I may have his family on board, looking for Granny Ailsa’s old papers. Also will endeavour to obtain photos of his son and grandson, both of whom
    have service records but the former not online. Robert Glenn Azlin’s naval papers from 1968 show him as 5′ 11 with features &c right on the money. Dad, Robert Frederick Bn. 1927 may not have been eligible for active service in ww2 due to his age in 1945 but check his record by all means (he died in 1971). If your interested all the family live in Morwell under the family name Azlin. and are not related to the Asselins of N.S.W New England Region.

  251. Byron: Permit me to try you with another one of my oldies, and maybe the Tatura lads might be interested as well. Chap’s name is Werner, a master mariner cum design artist and shoe maker who was better known as ‘Achilles’ around Sydney in the thirties. Did special orders like 204Bs perhaps, for Macnaughts of Kent and King streets, also agencies in Kiama, Forbes and Pine Creek NT., Good mate and probably a one time partner of John Willie (bizarre) and advertised in London Life fetish magazine 30s/40s era. Last heard of around 41 about the same time his mate was in camp at Woodside. Willie spent much of hs army service in Adelaide as an outpatient in Keswick Repatriation Hospital and I’m thinking he probably got to know a few of the local medicos like D’Arcy Cock whose name comes close to one adopted by him in one of his Bizarre skits, ‘Aventures of sweet Gwendonine’. Willie got discharged in late ’41 and later went to sea then settled in USA/Canada, never to return. There doesn’t appear to be any mention of his old German buddy in any of his letters and Willie died a broken man in the US in 1962 (not in the Channel Is. as is most often stated). There is a chance that Werner (last name first name?) ended up in an internment camp, then possibly on Somerton Beach, who knows.

  252. milongal on March 7, 2017 at 9:57 pm said:

    @John better late than never….
    Adelaide has 2 relatively significant military connections still today. The first is the Edinburgh Air base in the Northern Suburbs which (as well as being an active airbase) also has various Defence and Defence-related gvoenrment Agencies active there like DSTO (Defence Science and Technology Organisation) and DSD (Defence Signals Directorate). Most of what happens there is likely fairly mundane, however from time to time you hear some small rumours. It has a wiki page (if you’re interested RAAF_Base_Edinburgh) too – but AFAIK it didn’t exist in the 1940s (although the area it is in (Salisbury) used to make bombs and weapons from the early 1940s). The second significant Defence installation in Adelaide is the ASC (Australian Submarine Corporation) at Osborne (3 suburbs North of Largs Bay). This is FAR more recent (I think 1990s), but is known for producing the (wildly considered ‘dud’) Collins Class Submarines, and I think more recently is slated to build actual ships. Theoretically this is even more mundane than Edinburgh – the only ‘secrets’ there AFAIK were the propeller designs for the Subs. I remember in one of my earlier jobs delivering Pizza to there, and they’d confiscate Phones, Cameras (not that we had one – this was before smartphones) and any recording devices if they let you past security (although more often Security would just ring the staff to pick up their pizza from the gate).

    Of course, in broader SA (500km from Adelaide) there is also Woomera – which was very active in the 1940/1950s and is best known for weapons testing and a shroud of secrecy. This is where spy theorists speculate SM was linked to, and I’m pretty sure remains active today – but not sure in what capacity. There’s a plethora of speculation about it on this site and elsewhere, and I’m sure you can easily find more information (some of it less reliable than other) online.

  253. Milongal: on the contrary, I think you’ll find that all the Woomera spy speculation is exactly equally as good as each other. 🙂

  254. Milongal: I have in the past refered to both Willie and Achilles on this site and others, but alas was unable to promote any feedback on what I felt to be good possible leads, at least worthy of further discussion, so sorry if I seem to have been remiss in updating….Yes when I replied to Bric, I was merely attempting to give a general overview on Adelaide per se with regards to its current status on defence establishments as opposed to those operating in the war years and its aftermath. I didn’t mention places like the Salisbury Weapons Research Facility or very distant Woomera Rocket Range, both of which I am most familiar, simply so as not to suggest that these places have anything to do with my perceived views on the fate of Somerton Man…I see now that I was equally remiss and should not have been so quick to steer clear of the spy theories of which I don’t substantially support.

  255. milongal on March 8, 2017 at 9:57 pm said:

    @Nick: Exactly!

    @John: I think we’re on a similar page.
    Incidentally, do you know whether the Salisbury Weapons Research factory became Edinburgh, or are they relatively unrelated? According to the interwebs, Edinburgh split away from Salisbury to become a suburb in it’s own right (which struck me a little odd, because I had it in my head it was closer to Elizabeth, but googlemaps tells me I’m wrong and the both of them are a closer to each other than it feels when driving Main North Rd or Phillip Hwy)….

    Sidenotes (quote Homer Simpson: “I love stories”): Someone tells me DSD is now ASD. I remember year ago having seen DSD at a career fair at University asking someone from Defence about them and what they do. “They don’t exist”, he insisted. I explained they were advertising for graduate positions. “They don’t exist”, he responded. But that was a long time ago….in fact I think even in Canberra it’s only fairly recent that that any of those secretive agencies have identifiable buildings (and I’m not suggesting that there aren’t unmarked buildings which are far more interesting) – and if you’re into conspiratorial stuff, ask a Canberran why the building between Parkes Way and Constitution Ave (the stretch between Anzac Pde and Kings Ave) took so long to construct and you’ll no doubt hear them relate how that 4-letter (3 vowel) agency needed it deeper below the ground than above the ground…

  256. Milongal: I remember being on work details at WRE in the mid ’60s and the folks who worked there lived at Edinburgh if RAAF, or Elizabeth for the army people. My later dealings were by way of munitions/pyro transfers between MFF St Marys via RAAF Richmond in the early ’70s and the only ineresting occurrence was the theft of a crate of (inert) M36 Mills bombs from a nearby storage at RAAF Warrangaroo. With regards DSD, they were assumed (not) to have had a listening post within Kangaw barracks, Sembawang on the JB side of Singapore but guess what? It didn’t exist did it? Apparently (not) attached to an equivalent British Army sigs. unit, with corresponding RAF installation at Tanglin and others on the island and across the straits (JWS), at least through to the ’80s, you’d be hard pressed to find any likely evidence of their then presence or existence at this or any other point in time.

  257. Milongal: As an interesting aside to my last, and possibly more relevant to our particular line of inquiry, during the last war, whilst we were engaged intercepting communications between the axis powers from our eavesdropping stations in Honkong and Singapore for instance, our more forward thinking brothers across the Tasman were doing the same, but with accent towards our allies the Russians, and with more success I might add… Col. R F B Wame, along with his RAF counterpart Coutts made a rushed trip to Singapore in late ’41 for the purpose of deactivating our installation at RAF Terror (?) Before the Nips came to town.

  258. R F B Waik, never heard of the other chap.

  259. milongal on March 9, 2017 at 8:48 pm said:

    @John it’s interesting you mention that the chaps across the ditch were listening to the Russians. Wasn’t the Rubaiyat a kiwi edition (or wasn’t there some kiwi connection there?).

  260. Milongal: I think I found most of that stuff about the ‘listener’s on line under ‘Australian Naval Intelligence’ ….Corrections: Marrangaroo..HMS Terror or more likely RAF Tengah.

  261. GEC88 on March 12, 2017 at 6:42 pm said:

    IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT: The Somerton Man or Tamam Sud code has an interpretation as of this week, word by word!

    see: http://www.somertonmandecoded.com

  262. Way-out-west on March 13, 2017 at 1:45 am said:

    Funny, I always felt that “code” was just something completely mundane, like his shopping list. 🙂 I guess prayers are fairly mundane and could well be the solution. I am in the habit of scrawling nonsensical things on paper whenever I am out and about. They are basically just to jog my memory later, or more likely, because I am too lazy to write it all out in full. An address like Jeff Adams, 1082 West Street Cnr Emery Street becomes JEFADM 1082 WSCES for instance. So my scribbles mean something to me but would be an entire mystery to anybody else.

  263. Way-out-west on March 13, 2017 at 2:09 am said:

    I would like to add this in relation to Somerton Man.

    A hobby of mine is the collection of Australian World War 1 and 2 militaria. In my collection I have several rather narrow, fawn ties that were standard issue to Australian soldiers, particularly those of higher rank. But I suspect any soldier could have obtained one. It was typical for the men to write their names on the inside of the ties, just as you see on the one Somerton Man is wearing.

    The age of Somerton Man suggests he could have been enlisted in the Australian Army in World War 1 – a time when many men lied about their actual ages in order to enlist.

    I found this man in the Australian War Memorial records and wonder if anyone has ever tried to trace him?

    T Keane

    Service Number: 7401

    Rank: Bombardier

    Unit: 14th Australian Field Artillery Battery

    Conflict / Operation: First World War, 1914-1918

    Recommendation: Distinguished Conduct Medal

  264. Rick A. Roberts on March 13, 2017 at 4:25 am said:

    Please see my proposed solution that I submitted on 09NOV15 and 22JAN16 . I reversed each line and solved by substitution in English . I believe that my work fits the message of the Somerton Man .

  265. WOW: Thomas Keane MM 7401, deemed to be too old at 63 in 1948 and also a gunshot wound to the forehead would likely have left a scar, but good effort on your part. I posted almost the same as you on another place a month or so ago on a standard issue open weave ecru army tie with ‘v’ bottom as opposed to square bottom US pattern of ww2. And it certainly would have included the owners name verso which the unknowing might tend to scoff at. Pray tell where in hell do they expect to see the moniker on the soldier’s tie pin.

  266. Way-out-west on March 13, 2017 at 9:51 am said:

    Thanks John. I did think this was probably old ground I was visiting, but thought I’d post the info just in case it may have been a rock left un-turned.

  267. milongal on March 14, 2017 at 3:20 am said:

    we could spend a lot of time on Kean[e|ic] and there are certainly some interesting candidates (including 7401 above) – and I wouldn’t dismiss people just based on age (Walsh was quite old too; and a 4 becoming a 9 on a form could change someone’s age by 5 years).

    Other Keane’s I found interesting – there’s at least 2 Thomas Lawrence KEANE from WW1 (and from memory another from WW2).
    There’s a Terence Henry KEANE whose file is a touch unusual. There’s a letter he penned in 1957 (he’d lost a returned servicemen’s badge and was keen to get it back for ANZAC day), but the handwriting in it seems vastly different to the handwriting when he writes or signs his name 17 years earlier (shapes of the letters totally different). I understand people’s handwriting changes, but these seem very stark changes for someone between the ages of 25 and 42 (roughly). I know people have previously found a death record for him (and the letter suggests he lived beyond 1950), but I think either there were 2 that are getting confused, or there’s some impersonation going on. The file also seems to have Army Number N25094 which is struck out in favour of NX151609 – but it occurs to me that this might have happened later when someone assumed the 1957 Keane (NX151609) was the same as N25094.

    There’s also a Thomas Patrick O’KEANE – who has a very distinctive way of marking ‘K’ (which I am currently imagining bears a vague resemblence to the K on the tie) – but I can’t explain where his ‘O’ went.
    There’s a good number of other T Keane’s from both wars too (some are ‘T’ second initial, others not).

  268. Was it ever commented upon or did anyone ever give thought to the fact that somerton man was wearing neither belt nor suspender braces when found. This in an age when one or the other items would have been considered a standard feature of a gentlemen’s street apparel, especially as accessories to the kind of attire worn on the day of his demise. This could lend credence to the previously proffered suggestions that he was changed into his fancy togs and footware post mortem from a wardrobe and not Keane’s suitcase.

  269. John Sanders: then perhaps he was no gentleman? 🙂

  270. NP: In those days all leather belts would have been stamped or heat impressed with a makers name, and an elastisized set of braces would carry similar detail in the weft. As my mum used to say, you can always tell a true gentleman by the cut of his clobber, however she did not include a belt or braces specifically. Let’s give him the benefit of any doubts, shall we?.

  271. John sanders: what, that he was a gentleman but someone stole his hat, his wallet, and his belt too? 😉

  272. NP: A gentleman’s upbringing is the key, for he is bred to suffer such indignities with a proud, stoic, stiff upper lip, just so long as he’s left with the odd Kenesta or seven. Not to mention that this particular gentleman was, we can assume both totally and permanently incapacited. We also must be cognizant of the fact that a dead gentleman would tend to keep such trivial incidents to himself.

  273. John sanders: if he was a gentleman, his Juicy Fruit chewing gum and cadged cigarette make him look like one on his uppers, circa 1948. 🙂

  274. milongal on March 20, 2017 at 10:21 pm said:

    Wasn’t his socks missing too (or was that in the suitcase). Incidentally, the Juicy Fruit never occurred to me. If you’re a toothpick chewer, why would you carry gum (although I concede a small possibility of “substitute habit”)?

    Loads of not necessarily connected speculation follows….

    The idea that he didn’t dress himself is entirely plausible. The lack of hat, wallet and belt; the shiny shoes (despite, walking at least 3km if he’d been on the St Leonard’s bus); the lividity (ok, that says nothing about being changed, but it suggests he didn’t die there in that position); the lack of vomit (his clothes seem to have been relatively clean); I think NP once mentioned the (apparent) lack of any residue from steam engine soot; etc; etc….

    That also means that while the clothes could be his, it’s also entirely possible that this is a clean set either belonging to someone related to his demise, or sourced quickly from charity.

    This means that all bets are off (to the point it could almost (only almost) even be the toothpick chewer I so strongly resist). The link to the suitcase is in the clothing. The link to the Rubaiyat is in the clothing. The link to the Railway Station is in the clothing. Everything that links SM to anything is in the clothing.
    And the dates are conveniently linked in after the fact and at high risk of confirmation bias. What if (as per some reports) the Rubaiyat wasn’t found on (or shortly after) Nov 30? What if the suitcase wasn’t left in the station on Nov 30? The tickets explain away easily enough as simply being someone else’s (even if SM didn’t take the St Leonard’s bus, it’s plausible that someone else connected travelled there on it). I think I’ve mentioned before that one of the most remarkable aspects of SM’s assumed morning is that nobody remembers him. Nobody remembers him on the bus – perhaps staring blankly out the window; perhaps absorbed in though; or reading verse from his rubaiyat; or asking where the bus goes; or nodding off; or staring at people. “The curious incident about the dog in the night”. This is someone who (according to most ‘experts’ is a stranger in town – yet noone remembers him asking which train (or bus) to catch. Noone remembers him asking for a timetable, or directions to a bus stop. It’s hard to believe he purchased the Henley ticket or caught the St Leonard’s bus. Even the idea that “but spies are that good at blending in that they’re not noticed” doesn’t really wash with me (that’s too Hollywood – I think more likely they’re good at being noticed being ordinary rather than not being noticed at all).
    I’ll take a point that many of the potential witnesses were probably interviewed well after the fact (by which time memory of specifics has started to diminish), yet it’s so odd that SM just doesn’t seem to fit in (his attire at the beach screams “I don’t belong here”; he’s missing possessions that a traveller might have; etc) and yet the only people who remember noticing him is the young couple and Lyons (and they seem reluctant to categorically confirm it was the same person they saw – which in itself seems a little odd (to me that implies doubt, rather than absence of certainty – but that could be down to the police interviewers)).

    Increasingly I doubt he was at the Railway Station that morning. Increasingly I think he was staying in one of the Repat homes (there’s 2 within 500m of the beach where he was found from memory – and someone at one of them claimed to have had a drink with Solomonson (Incidentally, I always hear anything with “Solomon” and think “Jewish”, but 3 seconds of googling gives it a more Scandinavian origin) at the local pub), and that he hadn’t arrived in town that morning (incidentally, that could possibly provide a boring link to the clothes – and if we accept the clothes were not necessarily his, then we have to accept that a fragment of paper so well hidden within them that trained policemen don’t immediately find it may have existed before he wore the clothes without his knowledge).

    What if Jestyn didn’t know him? What if based on what she’d been told/seen she thought SM was someone else (possibly the previous owner of the clothes)? What if she prepared herself not to react when she saw a particular recognisable face that she was stunned to see a totally different face staring at her (this would likely mean she hadn’t paid much attention to the papers, I guess)? What if she thought someone (possibly related to Prosper’s doings) had ‘deserved’ it, only to see the face mask was someone else? What if she sort of knew that Prosper and his cronies had ‘offed’ someone, but seeing the face mask drove home the reality that this was a person (and not someone she knew)?

    As with all SM hypotheses, the problem is that each time we have an idea for one aspect of evidence, another piece of evidence becomes inconvenient…And it doesn’t help that there’s a lot of supplementary “possible evidence” (eg: were people seen on the beach with a body that night etc, etc….).

    Chico [producing ANOTHER cigar]: “I thought this cigar was in my other suit”
    Groucho: “I wish you were in your other suit and your other suit was being pressed”
    Chico: “Wait a minute! This IS my other suit”

    or again:
    Boat Passenger: “What’s the idea of putting your hands in my pocket!”
    Chico: “Just a little mistake. I had a suit once. Looked just like that and for a minute I thought those were my pants.”
    Boat Passenger: “How could they be your pants when I I’ve got them on!”
    Chico: “Well, this suit had two pair of pants. ”

    Can’t help but think it was the left-handed moths!

  275. Way-out-west on March 20, 2017 at 11:21 pm said:

    John Sanders makes a very valid point re the belt and braces. It is almost as if somebody took them off him after his death, or he was not wearing them in the first place. Perhaps if his trousers were tight enough he had no need for a belt. Still, it is unusual in that day and age.

    But golly, there were just SO many “swaggies” (or “bag men”) in those days. Why isn’t he just one of the many hundreds who died in total obscurity throughout Australia during and following the Great Depression era?

    Many people lost everything in the Great Depression, and I do mean everything, including at times their own identities. An early form of Government benefit was paid to these swagmen, but they had to keep moving from one town to another in order to claim it, and the payment was meager. The idea of Government at that time was to keep them moving so they could not congregate and so cause other social problems.

    The Australian Government did not introduce full unemployment benefits until July 1945, enabling the swagmen to obtain a regular payment and to settle down if they so wished. Sadly many had grown so use to a transitory and nomadic lifestyle by that time that they either claimed the benefit haphazardly or, in some cases, not at all. Of course some form of rudimentary identification must have been necessary for one to claim the benefit, and I am sure many had long lost any form of identification. Some had fallen to booze too (which in many cases involved the dreaded methylated spirits, believe it or not!) which wiped out their brains and ultimately their lives.

    My own grandmother and father told me many stories of their time in the Australian bush during the Depression era, and how afraid they were whenever the bag men wandered past their doors. Some bag men were honest and hard working and would accept a meal in return for some brief farm work. Others were thieving scoundrels. Many used assumed names. Many begged for methylated spirits, claiming they suffered from arthritis or some other malady, which, if provided, would see them wander off into the bush to drink it. They were tough times and then the war came, making things even tougher. The fact that the Somerton Man was found dead on a beach in total anonymity is really not that surprising in this social context. Australia really was not the land of “milk and honey” until at least the 1950s.

    If it had not been for the oddity of the items in this particular man’s possession, I am guessing nobody would be even remembering him today.

  276. John sanders on March 21, 2017 at 2:57 am said:

    NP: Sporting a shiny new pair of 204 bespokes and Marco Elast-o-Straps, one would be pretty game to suggest that he was on his uppers, not withstanding the gum and the botted bumper. No, he was a gentleman to be sure; perhaps even an officer & gentleman.

  277. milongal on March 21, 2017 at 8:32 pm said:

    @WOW agree to some extent. The SM ‘mystery’ survives primarily because of the rubaiyat – which changes an otherwise mundane death into an intriguing puzzle. I keep trying to point out that we know very little. That SM’s whole 30th of Nov as we know it is a whole bunch of speculation that revolves around items in his pockets. This avenue of investigation makes sense in the original context (a dead man on the beach), but over time becomes questionable as the lividity, cause of death and even clothes/possessions are deemed uncertain.

    The “assumed name” angle is sort of intriguing. We seem to have strong Scandinavian-seeming connections (from very diverse angles, some of them probably unrelated). I’d never really thought about Scandinavian emigration during and after WWII, and while Norway and Denmark were occupied it sounds like their time in the war wasn’t as hard as for other parts of Eastern Europe – so we don’t associate people fleeing there so much. Finland, by the sound of it, fared a little worse, however it sounds like they aligned more with Germany…
    I guess I’m surprised there seems to have been so many Scandinavians around (even if unrelated). Mikkelsen, Solomonson, Thompsen, Mangnussen (and I’m sure others that don’t immediately leap to mind). Brit’s we’d expect a lot of in Australia, as well as at that time Poles, Balts and others from around Russia. Scandinavians I wouldn’t have expected as much.

    **Disclaimer History and Geography have always been two of my least favourite subjects/topics so perhaps I’ve totally missed the point.

  278. B Deveson on March 22, 2017 at 5:46 am said:

    I thought the purpose of the “Elasto strap” was to take the place of a belt or braces? My understanding is that it is a sewn-in elastic adjustable belt. From memory SM’s shirt(s?) were described as having been taken in (what is the correct term?) around the waist and this is supported by Paul Lawson’s description of SM. I have broad shoulder and a small waist, and I can wear trousers without a belt if the waist of the trousers is smaller than the back side. Although Paul didn’t say so I take it that SM must have had well developed upper legs and a corresponding fairly muscular back side.

  279. John sanders on March 22, 2017 at 7:48 am said:

    Very well spotted Byron, however, my comment on the Elast-o-Straps was made somewhat tongue in cheek and perhaps done as a deliberate mistake to see who was observant enough to catch it. As anyone long associated wIth SM should
    be well aware of by now, and by all means correct me if I’m wrong on this point, he was said to have been wearing his Stamina trousers that particular day, and that’s the pair with the sixpence in the pocket, the pair with the belt loops and the suspenders buttons both fore and aft.

  280. BD: “that’s not the pair with the sixpence in the pocket”, besides I seem to recall that in one of your dissertations on the Marco’s you may have pointed out that due to war shortages, the elastic fabric had to be omitted altogether; am I correct on that point?.

  281. Way-out-west on March 22, 2017 at 10:15 pm said:

    Milongal: There were charity places in those days, just as there are today. And just as today it is not unusual to walk into one of these places and find expensive gentleman’s attire. I have friends who frequent such places looking for the expensive brand names and they often come out with a big grin on their face, having purchased said items for a few dollars. People donated unwanted gifts and the clothing of deceased persons in those days just as they do today. Some homeless itinerants could be remarkably well dressed, for a while at least. And that could also explain the absence of a belt.

  282. Way-out-west on March 22, 2017 at 10:21 pm said:

    And furthermore, if he had obtained the clothing from a charity or stole them, how do we know the pieces of paper and some of the other things weren’t left in the pockets of the clothes by someone else? There are just too many “unknowns” in this mysterious case for there to ever be a solution, unless someone claims ownership of him. After this amount of time, that possibility seems very unlikely. It will always remain a mystery.

  283. Pinocchio Pete on March 23, 2017 at 8:27 am said:

    How anyone could make any sense of the bewildering number of clues is completely beyond me, it would take a genius to put it all together into a coherent and readable fiction.

  284. Pinocchio Pete: actually, the right question is how anyone can take all the disparate strands and clues and make anything apart from fiction. :-/

  285. Pinocchio Pete on March 23, 2017 at 9:23 am said:

    Well, in the absence of fact, fiction may have to do. And if the fiction is solidly based on fact, then who’s to say one isn’t the other?

  286. Way-out-west on March 23, 2017 at 10:14 am said:

    Nick: Although it is fun to ponder! 🙂

    BTW, in one of my more authoritarian moods one day I wondered if the Government of any country introduced compulsory DNA tests of the population so many cold cases would be solved today. The huge database could be constantly checking and cross referencing. But of course, there is the civil rights issue to consider and I’m sure any leader who tried to introduce this “Big Brother”, Draconian measure would quickly be labelled a dictator, among other less flattering names!

  287. Pinocchio Pete: I’m happy to say one isn’t the other, and so (normally) are you.

    Unless you’ve lost interest now your book’s done.

  288. bdid1dr on March 23, 2017 at 6:23 pm said:

    ‘allo Pete ! A little bird just told us that you’ve finished a book !

    First dibs on buying your book ! Just tell us when and where the book will be available .

    Thanx, Nick for the heads up !

    beady

  289. Bids, it’s called The Bookmaker From Rabaul. Available on Amazon, ebook and paperback. A complete skin of fiction covering the bones of fact. Maybe I’ll try the same process on the VM manuscript, it doesn’t look any more difficult.
    Thanks for the opportunity to plug the book.

  290. milongal on March 23, 2017 at 9:23 pm said:

    @WOW: “…, if he had obtained the clothing from a charity or stole them, how do we know the pieces of paper and some of the other things weren’t left in the pockets of the clothes by someone else”
    Yes, exactly, that was part of where I was going. But it’s still a bit awkward – because the rubaiyat (supposedly) appears in a similar time and location to the clothes (with the scrap). So while the exact timing can be confirmation bias (“Is it possible this book was dumped in your car on the 30th Nov?”. “Why Yes! now that you mention it, it might have been exactly on the 30th Nov – it was certainly around that time”), we still have awkwardly similar timings even if we add +/- 10 days….(I’m sure I remember reading somewhere a report the Rubaiyat would have been found on the 29th or earlier (which makes a difficult case for “he had arrived in Adelaide that day”) – but of course it could mean that he only took possession of those clothes that day.

    But as I said before, an assumption that some evidence means something seems to always lead us to only being able to explain other evidence must be the result of an incredible coincidence (which of course is not impossible, but inconvenient nonetheless).

  291. John sanders on March 23, 2017 at 11:29 pm said:

    Anyone given any thought to where and under what circumstances SM was in when he acquired his fading tan and did Dr. Dwyer or Cleland actually describe it’s specifics, ie upper torso singlet outline or full body cover, or perhaps a tan line above the knees to indicate the wearing of shorts. I’m thinking that there were not to many outdoor professions in that era where people didn’t cover to protect from harsh sunlight, although it may be that deck hands or prison farm workers might have been exceptions. Also is it possible that a dead body, freshly expired, could be placed in cold storage under ideal conditions to prevent deterioration, say in a ship’s refrigerated hold, of the type used to store fummigated apples awaiting export; Then later, gradually brought back to normal temperature so that a post mortem would not necessarily reveal that the body was anything but that of a newly deceased person.

  292. John sanders on March 24, 2017 at 4:05 am said:

    Someone with a medical bent might care to explain in layman’s terms, clinical pathological organ comparisons with regards to death by poisoning ie. glucoside or even jellyfish invenomation and something more generally encountered like fatal hypothermia. I’m thinking in particular about the likelihood of heart valve seizure in mid contraction, obvious organ deterioration including physical appearance, as well as blood lividity and brain damage. Are you up for this Byron, and I think you can get my drift on where I’m headed by checking my preceding post.

  293. John sanders on March 25, 2017 at 2:32 am said:

    NP: Just a little trivia while things are a little slow. You’ll recall Bobbi’s missing White Sands Scientist George Taylor who turned up alive and well in Mexico. Not so his wife Normaleen who died tragically in an auto wreck leaving her three little girls without a mother and whose father turned out to be a conman. Well it so happens that his late wife had the maiden name of Lee, whilst her namesake Normaleen Shackelford’s maiden name was Park, both surnames not so unusual I’ll allow. The names Park and Lee are certainly not uncommon in Korea either, making up about forty or fifty percent of all surnames in that country. When you look at the two families, they comprised three kiddies apiece one of each born in Australia and the other two in the USA, albeit that those on one side were all males and on the other females. The two Normaleens having been born in very close proximity to each other in Sydney’s inner suburbs about 1920 as best as I can make out. I think that’s pretty cool, but I’ll own that it may not be seen in that light by some, so won’t raise a fuss if this ends up on the cutting room floor.

  294. bdid1dr on March 25, 2017 at 7:04 pm said:

    @ y’all: Even today, people who are working with any radioactive device wear a lead-lined ‘vest’ or apron. Dentistry, for example. Way back to 1943-1945: I had surgery to close my soft palate. Two years later, I had surgery to correct my crossed left eye. Before they did the eye surgery, they ran a slender rod which was tipped with a dot of Cobalt 60 — through my left nares/nostril. Some thirty years later I flunked a test using a Binocular microscope to do an RBC (red blood cell count). That event was my final attempt to become an RN . I still weep now and then.

    and now, beady-eyed wonder

  295. bdid1dr on March 25, 2017 at 7:06 pm said:

    Damn those Malinckrodt’s !
    bd

  296. B Deveson on March 25, 2017 at 11:31 pm said:

    John, if SM’s body had been refrigerated (in the same way as the Germans were fooled with “the man who never was” in WW2) the absence of rigor mortis would have given the game away. Regarding the possibility that a seaman, third officer or not, could pick up enough lead to give a high lead level in his hair such as is the case with SM’s hair, yes, lead ore and lead concentrates were often shipped around Australia, and shipped overseas. SM’s hair seems to carry anomalously high levels of many metallic elements which suggests to me that SM worked in one of the following areas: mining, ore buying, primary or secondary metallurgy, shipping of ores and concentrates or the chemical industry.
    Regarding the Park-Lee marriage I calculate that the probability of this pairing in Great Britain or the USA in the 1880s (1880 and 1881 census figures are the only ones I have close at hand) is about one in two and a half million. Unless something akin to nominative determinism is involved.

  297. bdid1dr on March 26, 2017 at 12:45 am said:

    @John Sanders:
    Don’t you dare relate your latest discussion of the Taylor family, and the
    missing men and deaths of that family, to Normaleen (maiden name Park) Shackelford AND/OR her sister Aileen (Park) Murray .

    The sisters (and two of Normaleen’s children) arrived on the same boat.
    I don’t know where their husbands were, at the time of the Shackelford and Murray women (and Normaleen’s children) arrival in Marin County California. Normaleen and her two older children arrived at White Sands (New Mexico) just in time to give birth her third child, Mark.

    bdid1dr

  298. bdid1dr on March 26, 2017 at 2:03 pm said:

    @ Milongal (a most dedicated researcher) : Don’t give up on us ! You are the best researcher I have ever encountered anywhere ! True that Sandy went a little bit over the line — but I forgive him.

    beady-eyed wonder-r

  299. Byron Deveson: in practice, however, even though few ships carried lead around in any quantity, that’s a research angle that hasn’t yet yielded anything for us. The source of the lead really is a mystery to me. 🙁

  300. bdid1dr on March 26, 2017 at 6:39 pm said:

    ps: @ John Sanders (aka: Sandy) : Normaleen’s husband (Shackelford) WAS a nuclear scientist at White Sands. All of the scientists at the various developing Nuclear facilities had mundane identities: garbage man, bulletin editor, ditch digging for water flow, custodian, graveyard / cemetery (both sides of the road).

    PS: The very same day that I met Normaleen’s son Lee, he told me about his father teaching him advanced mathematics of what was going on at White Sands. He also told me of his little brother (Mark) being born at White Sands. There is, online, a photo of Normaleen and two of her children. I don’t know which child took the picture — unless it was her husband who took the picture before disappearing.

    be-bopping-beady-eyed wonder

  301. bdid1dr on March 26, 2017 at 6:58 pm said:

    If only we could find an identifiable photo of Normaleen’s husband; so as to compare the Somerton Man’s photos and newspaper articles. It would be very strange if her last husband (John Pexa) had any papers, photos, or objects relating to the Shackelford/Murray families. Normaleen’s son , Lee Shackelford, took me to the City for a very brief introduction to Mr. Pexa. He was quite drunk and apparently did not recognize Normaleen’s son, Lee Erwin Shackelford.
    bd

  302. bdid1dr on March 26, 2017 at 10:26 pm said:

    I wish we had some photographs of Normaleen Park SHACKELFORD’s HUSBAND who was a scientist at the WHITE SANDS New Mexico Nuclear facility. There is one photograph of Normaleen ( who later nicknamed herself as Noele) standing WITH two of HER CHILDREN inside the compound of that nuclear facility. She mentioned to me that her husband had disappeared right about the time of their son Mark’s birth.
    I wonder if the White Sands nuclear facility is still operating; and whether they have photos and biographies of the scientists and workers at that facility.
    bd

  303. John sanders on March 27, 2017 at 4:51 am said:

    Normaleen Shackelford nee park, died as Noel(e) Pexa 1/9/68 aged 47 and she had been working as a skin care consultant in Fairfax County. John Pexa, who was 11 yrs. her junior only outlasted her by 3 years, and in his 41st year. What could have caused their demise at such a young age?, might it have been hastened by the worry and shame brought upon them by unspecified doings of Lee and his younger brother Preston who died in UK 8/9/01 aged 52. It couldn’t have had been to do with Mark’s premature demise at the hands of the latter, (as intimated in a recent post) as this was in 1974 when his mum and stepdad were long gone, and he was just 22. Then of course we have your late husband who held on until his passing in 1997, also aged 52. It would be nice to be able to fill in some more gaps in this family’s somewhat intriguing history but we seem to be rather short on credible, relevant information at the present…Bdid1dr: Sincerely trust that your folks enjoyed their trip on the Oriana to the Sydney zoo and best regards to Mr. Miller, “Sure I wanna cookie”.

  304. milongal on March 27, 2017 at 9:32 pm said:

    @bd – still here just shifting house at the moment (only 1100km) and settling into new work….plus I’ve nothing much to add at the moment…

    although FWIW some of the T Keane’s on the aif database ( aif adfa edu au) are gradually being resolved as the same person…2 different stints in the forces

  305. Way-out-west on March 28, 2017 at 3:20 am said:

    Beady, John sanders links families that are not even related all the time using a huge amount of duct tape which he often applies liberally while standing on a wonky-legged ladder and using a 3 foot long pair of very worn BBQ tongs. My advice is take no notice of his highly speculative ramblings. I have given up on him, because he constantly sidetracks and derails any worthwhile discussion with various highly speculative theories that are often more bizarre than anything from the X-Files, and moreover he often seems to get his kicks from so doing whenever he thinks he has succeeded.

  306. John sanders on March 28, 2017 at 7:53 am said:

    Bdid1dr: I’ll just link this last one, at the risk of offending that ol Will-O-Wisp who seems to have made her mind up not to be my secret pal afterall. Your deceased ex husband, Lee Erwin Shackelford’s aunt, Aileen T(h)eresa Murray nee Park, was born 14/3/18 and passed on 16/5/80. She appears to have at least retained her married name and remained in Marin County, but haven’t any information on her husband John or her surviving children.

  307. Way-out-west on March 28, 2017 at 10:08 am said:

    Unless people can quote the sources of their information, it is for the most part useless. We need to establish the one Shackelford family line with clarity. At present it almost appears as though several different Shackelford lines are potentially being confused and mashed together to fit several highly suspect and speculative theories. Some posters have a tendency to write with certainty about theories and dates, but it later becomes evident that they were actually less than certain about the details at the time. It would be good to know the source of the information so that it is instantly verifiable. Otherwise we just have a confusing bunch of names and dates plucked from “somewhere-who-knows-where”. This is a bit like doing a jigsaw puzzle by constantly throwing all the pieces into the air and hoping they will eventually all land in the right positions. I have never known anybody to do their family history research in this kind of haphazard and disorderly way. Blame a university education if you like, but in the absence of sources I firmly believe that all information presented is potentially contaminated and therefore useless.

  308. John sanders on March 28, 2017 at 1:59 pm said:

    WOW: I for one refuse to suggest fault with your stated university education, but perhaps to use your own terms of reference, you’ll be happy now to provide credibIL proof of your attendance thereof, ie., your alma mata and personal details in order to affirm the veracity of such obviously commendable passage. I’m equally prepared to reciprocate in kind but I rather fancy that you won’t be so impressed. But back to the real program, you’ll no doubt be pleased to hear that most of my posted information on the very intriguing Shackleton family is actually borrowed from previous fully researched and verifiable posts from the likes of the esteemed Misca, Byron Deverson, and our illustrious moderator Nick Pelling. If you can spare the time, please cross check on those details, which were mostly gleaned as consequence of interrogotaries put to the original informant, Bobette Miller. Perhaps your own trusted sleuthful cohorts Aya, Carly and Bumpkin could be inlisted to assist as there’s a deal of digging to be done. You’ll be so kind as to inform me when the clarifications have been made and I’ll be most gracious in accepting your sincere apologies for the doubt and resultant insinuations of impropriety. PS. If there is anything missing, I’ll endeavour to give you the appropriate references on Wiki, unless of course the information comes from personal recollections, with which you will no doubt please yourself with regards to credibility. Respectfully yours &c., John Edward Sanders.

  309. Bumpkin on March 28, 2017 at 7:09 pm said:

    The only digging that needs to be done is at West Terrace Cemetery in Adelaide, South Australia. That is where SM’s body is located. Exhume the body. Do a DNA test. Put results in genealogical database and see what pops up. That is the only way to identify SM. The only way!

  310. John sanders on March 29, 2017 at 3:07 am said:

    Ellen: At the end of the day, all of us are agreed, I’m sure, in that we only seek the truth as final justification for our investigative input. It goes beyond saying that our respective means to achieving a worthwhile outcome are somewhat at variance, although for our part, we are certainly prepared to make efforts at compromise. You’ll have noted our new blend of investigators have been assigned handy catch phrase titles rather than proper names, which because they only deal in absolute truths, have unselfishly placed themselves in the firing line to take the flack and act as foils in much the same manner as you yourself have done for your own essentially honourable team. As for the rest of us, we tend mostly to use our God given names unashamedly, but this is only a diversion, as we are “the few” who, being the hunters & gatherers of information, byy all and any means at hand, are the real key to victory. You see, things like unimpeachable truths can be rather an embuggerance in a way, especially in a cold case scenario where half truths and downright lies have enmeshed themselves rather inextricably. So to overcome this, we harness what we like to label as being perceptive, factually based assumptions, embellish them a little and let them loose on our unsuspecting enemy, the great unknown. When they’ve done their work, they’ll hopefully have gathered in all their new pals, which for want of a better name we’ll term, ingredient essential proofs, and these we trust, will win the day. Should your team wish to share this eventual, and most rewarding outcome with us, feel free to make use of our nameless fact seeking division, for so long as you feel that they are needed. It goes without saying that they are all university educated, and whilst being somewhat on the dull, temperamental side, with some strong nurturing and discipline, they could prove to be game changing in your own particular quest for truth at all costs. js

  311. B Deveson on March 29, 2017 at 5:47 am said:

    Bumpkin, I agree. Nick, yes, the Establishment in SA will continue to block Derek, but things are changing and the Liberal Party has previously said they will allow the exhumation of SM. In my opinion the Labor Party will not win the next SA election to be held 17th March 2018. So, we have but a year to wait.

    In the meantime Prof. Abbott’s group is probably still working on the mitochondrial DNA from SM’s hair. Derek has previously announced that trapped hair taken from the plaster bust of SM has tested positive for mitochondrial haplogroup H. This means that two mutations that define haplogroup H were found in SM’s mitochondrial DNA. The mutations (single nucleotide polymorphisms or SNPs) that define Haplogroup H are G2706A and T7028C. My understanding of present DNA sequencing methods is that to be able to identify these two mutations a significant length of the mitochondrial DNA must have been recovered and sequenced, otherwise the location of the two mutations (at positions 2706 and 7028 in the mtDNA sequence) could not have been established. And this means that SM’s mtDNA has been at least partially sequenced.
    FamilyTreeDna, a group that offers full mitochondrial DNA sequencing, says this about mtDNA.
    “Matching on the Mitochondrial DNA Full Genomic Sequence test brings your matches into times that are more recent. It means that you have a 50% chance of sharing a common maternal ancestor within the last 5 generations. That is about 125 years.”

    IMHO Derek’s group has a partial sequence for SM’s mtDNA. How partial? I don’t know but my guess is a lame donkey 50% minimum. The bottle neck at present is that there are not many mtDNA sequences publicly available but that is changing and IMHO Derek’s group will get a match within the next 1-3 years. Autosomal DNA testing is rapidly expanding and I think many of the people who are having autosomal DNA tests will look at the next line of tests, which are mitochondrial DNA (ie. Mother’s line) and Y-DNA (father’s line). IMHO mtDNA testing will rapidly expand because in my experience women are fascinated by tracing their maternal ancestors (paternal not so much).

    Genebank has a public database that currently contains 36,820 complete, on near complete, human mtDNA sequences and a lot of these are from Western Europeans. In other words the GeneBank mtDNA database is likely to throw up a close match for SM. Maybe not an exact match, but likely a close match, say within 10 generations (about 250 years). From there it is just a matter of tracing the paper trail genealogy. Remember that mtDNA doesn’t have the difficulties of “non paternal events” because mtDNA is passed on from the mother, not the father. Searching could be refined by having possible relatives tested. Mitochondrial DNA sequencing is reasonably cheap now (US $199 gets you a compete sequence).

    Bottom line: We will know SM’s identity by 2019. Once we know who he was we can piece together his life.

  312. bdid1dr on March 29, 2017 at 9:47 pm said:

    @ B Dev : Just before now, I finished (and probably over-ran your latest g-rreat discussion of mtDna) . Oh, please keep us informed of developments of testing mtDna. Way back when I was a Nursing Student, they had just begun DNA studies which were coherent enough for Nursing students to understand. I’m hoping my children can be interested enough to take the mtDNA (sequencing?) tests. Please keep us posted. This plea is written by a University medical student who got snowed in (to the top of her hubcaps) and missed her final exams. $3,000 dollar loan I was unable pay — until I returned to California (flat broke).
    bdid1dr
    Still wondering

  313. B Deveson on March 30, 2017 at 11:20 am said:

    Nick, I agree that the research into the lead/zinc seaborne transport in Australia in the 1940s has not put a name to SM but I think that this research still has life in it. First, there is a significant (good? 50%?) chance that SM left money in a bank account so there is a (50%?) chance that SM’s name appears in the unclaimed monies lists. But there are several thousand names in these lists. I suggest that these lists should be checked against the crew lists and any other relevant databases. Directories and electoral rolls could be searched for the names of people involved in mining, metallurgy, stevedoring, chemical processing and merchant marine. Possibly 10,000 names?
    In 2-3 years we should have the 1948/49 State Police Gazettes and it is possible that SM was reported missing.
    Regarding possible sources of lead there aren’t that many ways that SM could have soaked up the amount of lead that is indicated by his hair lead analyses. The Standard Story is that clinical lead poisoning wasn’t uncommon in the 1940s but I have had an interest in this topic for several decades and my research demonstrates that the Standard Story is a beat up with it’s roots in politics.

  314. Eammon on April 4, 2017 at 12:42 pm said:

    As for the micro-writing. Huh? That guy is using modern technology to discover the micro-writing. Locating a copy of Gerry Feltus’ book The Unknown Man is proving quite difficult. My faulty memory reading extensively online of this case has Jessica nee Harkness as adopted. Was she?

  315. Tammy Should on April 4, 2017 at 2:01 pm said:

    @eamonn and others. You say “that guy” is using modern methods to ‘discover’ micro-writing. But has any actually been discovered? Has anyone here actually seen any micro-writing in his posts? I’m using a smartphone screen (nice shiny new one, very HD) as he advises – and I just can’t see it. I just keep being told that it’s there, that I’m looking at it. And still… I see nothing.

    Has anyone else seen it? If so, I’ll look harder.

  316. Tammy Should: anyone can claim to see microwriting in any single image – but if you then get a better resolution image of the same thing and the microwriting isn’t in the same place and isn’t more readable than before, it wasn’t actually there in the first place.

    Simples.

  317. milongal on April 4, 2017 at 9:54 pm said:

    Like NP said when it was first ‘discovered’, it says ‘SEGA’

    There’s a part of me that gets concerned that a ‘seasoned (professional) investigator’ seems to be closed minded and seems to try to confirm his theory at the exclusion of all others – even when it means ignoring other evidence and plain common sense. I would have expected a Defective from a Police Farce to be more open-minded, and while they might chase their favourite lead, still consider that it might not be the one true path, and consider evidence even when it doesn’t fit the theory. Aside from microwriting appearing everywhere (including, apparently, on the cover of Feltus’ book), there’s the hocus-pocus explanation to turn someone who’s 5’11 into someone who’s 6’3 ….by my calculation that’s a shade over 10cm…etc, etc, etc….but never mind. To each their own, and I don’t necessarily subscribe to a lot of other people’s theories either….

  318. Eammon: Gerry Feltus’s book may still be available direct from the author at theunknownman.com (if he has any copies left). Highly recommended, by the way. 🙂

  319. Hello! I’m a novice to the study of this case, but how can ya ignore Rick Roberts’ solution posted above? ↑↑ …”TAMAM SHUD—POISON SAMPLE…MONEY DUE PAID, etc”…you replied that ◆”the deal was never completed, Rick”◆…how would you know? In fact from your dismissive response it sounds like you agree that there was some kind of “deal” going on…otherwise how could this hypothetical “deal” not be completed…if it never existed at all? Rick’s decryption makes PERFECT sense! How can you dismiss his solution? Just because SM was found dead with no trace of poison…while on one hand you say this could be a Cold War espionage case…and then discard the perfect solution to this code? And since you’re on the internet for yrs saying nobody knows who this man is…but you’re positive he never made any “deal” with anyone for anything, or assume this hypothetical “deal” existed but failed? Roberts HAS to be right. What the heck? what makes you so sure? You talk as though you’re 100% positive and sir, you are not

  320. zizz: with my moderator hat on, Rick Roberts’ comments are polite and courteous, which is why I’m perfectly happy to let them through. With my cryptologist hat on, however, I don’t think there’s any significant chance that his claimed decryptions – which are almost always generated through a process of loose association – will turn out to be correct.

  321. Yes it’s true most of his solutions/deciphering…it does involve “loose associations”. Some sound pretty damn good though, referring to posion…”PSNMPTD/poison emptied. Somebody else up there ↑↑ somewhere said “this can’t be solved without knowledge of the Persian language”…NOT necessarily true (i’m not an engineer myself but I was raised by one, so I rarely make the same assumptions that others take for granted. Now, I say: translating 10th century poetry, transposing it and making it rhyme in English, and have a natural rhythm in English. I hate that; I hate when poetry is “translated” in that way. SO I’m saying, that translation of the •Rubaiyat• doesn’t even require knowledge of Persian. SO: Rick Roberts is on to SOMETHING. “DBABAOGRM” (1st line backwards) fits the ENGLISH rendering of “Tamàm Shud”…with exactly the same number of characters…and “DBABA” really DOES match “TAMÁM SHUD” exactly, even the dbl letters– B=A and A=M…..he’s on yo something. I don’t believe “micro-writing”. And like the Bible Code, ppl finding seemingly meaningful codes in the Bible…you can find secret messages in any large volume. Moby Dick, it was prove. Roberts’ ideas seem very attractive to me

  322. oh and just one more thing. “No traces of poison” means…”this man was likely poisoned…but we can’t find a trace/we didn’t look for the RIGHT POISON…or the poison is not well-known and it leaves no trace”. I’m knowledgeable about drugs, I am not a doctor…there are a lot more things besides digitalis that would be undetectable in a 1948 autopsy

  323. well alright buddy it’s okay that you’re stonewalling me. I thought as long as I didn’t cuss or threaten violence it’d be acceptable. I’m sry. Idc if u don’t post my comments but I think that they would add to this fascinating discussion

  324. zizz: sorry if two hours isn’t a quick enough turnaround for you. Even moderators have real lives.

  325. Okay holy geez I’m sorry just discovered this website and my 1st comment was posted immediately. I didn’t kno. But to add some substance to THIS post, I’m a musician and I saw a previous post which said hey, this could be a form of musical notation, specifically guitar tablature…chord progressions (ABABD…A…BAE…ABAAC…AGB) ← those are the only letters that, taken at face value could be a musical chord progession (bcuz the musical alphabet is only A through and including G). And the ‘O’ with a small ‘x’ above it could represent guitar-tablature for a muted open string. I think that’s very creative thinking and I am impressed! Good idea…but no I’m sorry, i’d bet everything I own that’s not the reality. However perhaps the other letters could refer to different chords for example ‘M’ could could really mean “C#m” or “Esus2 (E suspended 2nd)…and if perhaps they indicated musical notation that, when written on stave paper created a musical code which contained the real coded message. Beyond that slim possibility, it’s brilliant thinking but it doesn’t make sense to me I’ve played music all my life 🙂 anyway sry to start off on the wrong foot but thanx for including me in your discussion

  326. B Deveson on April 24, 2017 at 3:12 am said:

    Eammon, I think Misca suspected that Jessica was adopted, and so do I. But we have no proof and I haven’t seen any. I note that it seems that the family could not provide the undertaker and cemetery with details of her birth, so even her family may not know one way or the other. We will have access to the NSW BD&M records for 1921 in 2022 so things will be clearer then.

  327. B Deveson on April 24, 2017 at 4:58 am said:

    Eammon, if Jessica was adopted then it opens the possibility that she was one of the many children sent out of harms way by displaced Russian families after 1917. Quite a few Russian children were send to Australia to be looked after by friends and distant relatives. One (in)famous example is Lionel Murphy. A Russian birth would explain Jessica being familiar with the language, as her daughter has claimed.

  328. I was thinking… (I don’t know as much about this case as all of you so sry if u’ve heard this before)…1st of all as a student in High School, I’d get bored in class and since I’m not much of a visual artist, since I cannot draw a picture of anything, since I like words/poetry and sounds/music…Instead of sketches I’d doodle acrostics. Like I might think “I’m bored as hell and I hate this f***ing class” I’d doodle “IBAHAIHTFC”…so I’m familiar with that. I feel that the msg is an English language acrostic. Has it been determined that nobody called Jessica Thomson’s phone number on 11/30, or 12/1? Bcuz since her phone number was found in that book right above the msg…seems to me maybe he took some time to carefully write his last words. If he’s a suicide, he’d want to compose them carefully and make sure his final statement is communicated exactly as he planned. So, did he use this acrostic as shorthand, and call Jessica Thomson? I thought since the phone number was there with the msg…maybe he called her up and said that stuff verbally. But im guessing there’s probly no record of such a call

  329. zizz: the Rubaiyat (and the phone number or numbers) turned up many months after the man was found dead.

  330. yes sir I do understand that…but Tamam Shud came from that book with the phone number. Sumbody ripped “Tamam Shud” from that copy. If he had that book when he was alive, he could’ve composed that short hand and written Thomson’s phone number. So he could have obtained Thomson’s phone number, written it down on the book along with short-hand notes and called her up to say whatever it was. Let us assume he had that book. I’m not saying he could’ve called her after he died, of course not! But right before he died. He had the “Tamam Shud” so it’s not crazy to assume he had the book. So, what does it matter when the book was found? I don’t understand why you told me that bcuz I know that

  331. He could’ve discarded that book 5 minutes before he died, as far as I can tell…so he rolls into town on the train with this Rubaiyat, perhaps he was Jessica Thomson’ s former lover and he got her number, thought really hard about what he wanted his last words to be, called her up and said the speech, ripped out Tamam Shud and killed himself with a mostly unknown poison

  332. zizz: it would be nice if cipher mysteries yielded to romantic storytelling, but I don’t honestly think that’s going to start happening any day soon, sorry. 🙁

  333. Bumpkin on April 27, 2017 at 9:23 pm said:

    Nick; What zizz posted does (mostly) make sense. SM tore Tamam Shud from the Rubaiyat and placed it in his fob pocket. He then threw said Rubaiyat away. It was found in a car near Jestyn’s abode. It contained both her phone number and “code”. He probably knew either her or Prosper. It is the most likely explanation. As far as I can tell.

  334. Okay so tell me what’s wrong with my postulation please. Bcuz I am interested and I’d like to learn more. I didn’t think my story was romantic at all…haven’t many ppl on this very blog postulated that SM was Jessica Thomson’s former lover, maybe the father of her child? I’m not the first to suggest he may have killed himself, or that SM had been involved with Jessica Thomson. So what’s wrong with my suggestion? It isn’t overly romantic, ppl kill themselves all the time bcuz of romance. I didn’t just suggest for the first time SM could’ve been romantically involved with J Thomson. Assume that’s true; my story is perfectly plausible
    “My Life Is All But Over”, etc…he killed.himself after taking a train to her vicinity, wanted his last words to be perfect so he made that short-hand. THE PHONE NUMBER was on the book too, right? Well? He jotted down her number, called her up to say his speech and killed himself THAT IS NOT OVERLY ROMANTIC it’s actually called suicide and it happens all the time for what ppl call “love”…why is it that you treat me like I’m a moron?

  335. zizz: sorry, you’re taking what I’m saying far too literally.

    All I mean by “romantic” is that the love child + suicide note + poison + dead man on beach thing is a beguiling story that has many proponents but not a gnat’s whisker’s worth of actual evidence.

  336. If you don’t like romantic storytelling…keep away from the •Rubaiyat• and poetry in general! SM had “Tamam Shud” in his pocket, from a very old book OF POETRY…”romantic storytelling” IS CLEARLY an essential part of this mystery, and has been ever since “Tamam Shud” was found in SM’s pocket.

  337. Unfair comment, sizzle, NP has sweated blood and tears on this thing.

  338. Okay this blog probably isn’t the place for me; fine. But HONESTLY I’m nonplussed. I’m confused, really. What did I say wrong? How in the heck did I offend this guy? How is he so positive romantic storytelling is irrelevant? So the actual content of the •Rubaiyat• is irrelevant? That’s not a good approach. Are you all so convinced that the msg is an encrypted code that you won’t consider otherwise? What is going on here?! Aren’t we trying to figure out this mystery? Here I had set forth a plausible scenario. And it was dismissed as “romantic storytelling”. My suggestion is just as likely as any other!! And who would say poetry has no place in this mystery? SINCE IT ALL HINGES ON A BOOK…OF POETRY!! PO-ET-RY! …maybe you’ve sweated blood and tears but you can’t just dismiss my supposition because it’s not mathematical!. I didn’t even know there WAS “romanticism” in my idea. So…HOW is it…that I’M the one who’s an asshole? Some ppl have been staring at this code so long they’re seeing all sorts of micro-writing. WHY AM I A JERK? It’s JUST AS UNFAIR to tell me that “romantic storytelling has no place on this blog”…well, my friends…maybe that’s why nobody’s figured this out. Are u so mathematically inclined as to dismiss my absolutely plausible idea of what may have happened? I DIDN’T ADD ANYTHING, only what is known. His dead body! J Thomson’s phone number! Her house 500 meters away! The fact SM may have fathered Thomson’s child. She apparently knew the man. ETCETERA!! okay? So just HOW is it that I’m the biggest jerk on this blog? In conclusion: IF YOU WON’T CONSIDER EVERY ANGLE HOW CAN WE LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT SM? I’m not a mathematical mind. Keep dismissing any theories that aren’t based on Cold War espionage micro-writing. No wonder you haven’t found the answer

  339. zizz: all stories are indeed as likely as each other. The problem is that there are at least a million Somerton Man stories, which makes them all a million-to-one shot at best.

    What you perhaps don’t realise is that I’ve seen so very many of these stories (long on narrative, homeopathically short on evidence) that I’ve lost all ability to see how yet another romantic recap based on essentially nothing at all helps anyone to do anything.

    And as for microwriting… if Somerton Man evidence was grapes, Chateau Microwriting wouldn’t get an ant drunk.

  340. There’s a book out there somewhere, maybe someone should point zzz at it.

  341. milongal on May 1, 2017 at 1:17 am said:

    Don’t read too much into this, it was just for a lark.

    Somewhere else on the net there seems increasing comparison between Fedosimov and SM…and a cowardly anonymous commentator suggested finding some face matching software. So for shits and giggles I found an online face matcher.
    One of the pictures it flagged was from WWI – of a (Finnish?) machine gun squadron in the Gulf of Riga (Latvia). In the picture below, the face flagged (at only about 60% match it should be noted) was of the officer (? the dude with the different hat) standing on the RHS….but I was more taken by the guy on the LHS – who I can imagine an uncanny resemblance to SM:
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JP27_kk_miehi%C3%A4.jpg

    The (artificially coloured) photo dates from 1916, so if we made up an age of 20 for him there, it would put him 52 in 1948 – which I think is roughly SM territory.

    The site also puts SM at age 42 (with 60% confidence).
    age : 42 (60%), beard : no, expression : neutral, gender : male (98%), glasses : no, mustache : no, race : white

    Given the original post was about this Fedosimov guy, I should add that I also played around with his picture and got the following results
    age : 43 (60%), beard : no, expression : smile (98%), gender : male, glasses : no, mustache : no, race : white

    Before people get all excited about that, it’s worth pointing out that Fedosimov’s picture was taken well before SM’s – so the age similarity is actually a 5 year gap.

    For completeness, I ran the pictures through the analyser against each other and, (surprise, surprise) the match confidence was very low (24%).

    Of course, that doesn’t necessarily dismiss Fedosimov (the 2 images I used are relatively low quality and I have very little idea of how the face matcher works other than identifying distances between features), but IMO it certainly questions the 99% (later discounted to 98%) match that was claimed….

    So I’m going to claim with absolute certainty (disclaimer: ‘certainty’ = ‘possibility’ and ‘absolute’ is meaningless here) that SM was a member of the Finnish 27th Machine Gun Squadron who protected the Letts in WW1 subject to anyone showing otherwise.

  342. Milongal: I hate to say it, but as wildly speculative methodologies go, this is almost reasonable. Did you try matching Charles Mikkelsen too?

  343. Petebowes on May 1, 2017 at 9:06 am said:

    Boys, let me put something to you … this type of snotty exchange isn’t doing either of your online reputations any favours.
    Such as they are.

  344. Petebowes: let me know when your reputation becomes visible off the bottom of the graph, I’ll happily put the champagne on ice for that.

    Not that they’ve even planted the grapes for that yet.

  345. milongal on May 1, 2017 at 9:48 pm said:

    Thanks Pete – I’m not too concerned if people think I’m some sort of crank. Certainly that’s my opinion of most online posters I come across, so it’s only fair they think the same too….

    FWIW in case it hasn’t been clear before, I very much doubt Fedosimov is SM – and I think the totally failed image comparison (on another site again it was only 16% but I think that was a pure picture comparison, not a facial recognition one) is as strong a case against as any pro one I’ve seen put forward.
    One of the problems I have with a lot of the posts I’ve seen is that they suffer from badly from confirmation bias – that any evidence that might question a theory is dismissed while any shred of evidence that almost supports it is twisted until it seems unquestionable. IMO:
    1) The height difference is insufficiently explained for Fedosimov
    2) There are facial differences that are simply dismissed as “watch the angles” (and I think the overlay shows some of these clearly)
    3) There doesn’t seem an obvious rationale tol Fed being in Adelaide – on the one hand we are to believe he is hiding from his past, on the other that Woomera (or the weapons testing facility at Salisbury) is why a spy would go there
    4) There was a poster who claimed to find a record of Fed from 1968 (they didn’t link the record, so not sure how reliable it is), but it was dismissed as “must be a different guy” rather than because the record had been looked at
    5) Facial recognition software appears to return a low match (granted, I didn’t do it scientifically, but it’s still a start for mine)
    6) There doesn’t seem a record of Fed arriving in Australia (ok, this is searching a needle in a haystack, because presumably he used an alias). I was briefly excited finding a “Stepan Jovanivich”….until I realised that was 1949
    etc….

    Is it really possible that a high profile Russian spy was killed in Australia and nothing about his identity slipped out ever? No agency anywhere in the world (where the photo was circulated) accidentally said “shit, that looks like this Fedosimov guy we’re interested in”….
    And then of course there’s the argument that they knew but managed to keep it secret. Yet they let Feltus waste a lot of time on a cold case they already knew so much more about?

    Easy reader version: I don’t think he was Fedosimov, and I think it’s fairly easy to dismiss him.

    @Nick: Didn’t even occur to me re CM, but will do that if I get a chance….

  346. milongal on May 1, 2017 at 9:58 pm said:

    @Nick: Mikkelsen’s passport gives a 19% confidence for SM (and 16% for Fedosimov – not that there’s any suggestion they’re the same).
    FWIW his picture is estimated at “45yo” (I think we know that to be 15 years out?)

  347. Everyone is on the bottom of your personal graph, dome, and it shows.

    Milongal, it’s about time you rose above lap-dog status, do you think?

    By the way, how’s that BIG Somerton post going old boy? You promised it about twelve months ago. Mind gone blank?

  348. petebowes: have you forgotten how to sledge?

    The big SM post is so big I can’t fit it in the small margin of a blog post. I tried writing it up but stopped at 10,000 words, not even halfway through. Too big for a blog, too small for a book. Oh well.

  349. Petebowes on May 2, 2017 at 10:31 pm said:

    I’m being kind, neither of us is getting any younger.

  350. @nickpelling, if I may quote:

    “However, when police looked up one of the phone numbers (or perhaps the only phone number, depending on which account you believe) that they had found on the Rubaiyat’s end page, they discovered it was that of Sister Jo Thomson (née Jess[ica] Harkness), a nurse who had recently moved to Glenelg. Her house was a mere five minutes’ walk from where the Somerton Man’s body had been discovered.”

    Gerry Feltus was non-committal about more than one phone number, what other account are you referring to?

  351. Pete: if non-committal is good enough for Gerry, it’s good enough for me. 🙂

  352. Petebowes on May 5, 2017 at 10:41 am said:

    I was hoping for something a little more exact.

  353. Petebowes: *sigh*

    Adelaide News, 23rd July 1949: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/56059849

    The Littlemore documentary too?

    And what Gerry wrote was:

    “At one stage I was fortunate to receive old scraps of paper, some of which had a few old telephone numbers written on them…I purchased an old Adelaide telephone directory. In my spare time I read through the directory checking the list of telephone numbers I had against those in the directory…I eventually located a number that was significant. This number allowed me to obtain a name that eventually led to sufficient details for me to identify the nurse.” – G M Feltus

  354. Petebowes: you can use Google to search Cipher Mysteries rather than ask me every time you forget something.

    Just include site:ciphermysteries.com as part of your search query.

  355. @nickpelling

    It was detective Len Brown who provided information to the press about an additional phone number on the back of the Rubaiyat.

    Feltus declined to confirm it.

    Perhaps it should be you asking me the questions.

    Cheers for now.

  356. Pete: if you read what was said, it seems clear that Gerry Feltus never actually saw the original, and so could neither confirm or deny what had been said.

    If in the future I have questions that I think you can answer, I’ll be sure to ask them. But don’t hold your breath waiting.

  357. John sanders on May 5, 2017 at 2:47 pm said:

    I’m quite certain that Gerry never intended for us wannabees to obtain a resolution, so as to override his own personal frustrative efforts to solve this so-called unfathomable mystery. That’s just the way it goes with disgruntled old suits when they can’t come up with the knowledge they seek. I’ve never read his book and yet I see no need to; and as a matter of fact, I’m thinking that a farce like the bookmaker, of which we’ve only been served snippets, might offer more constructive clues at the end of the day. I’m sure that there are still fertile areas of relevant detail which are as yet unchartered or otherwise overlooked that might be exploited further so my advice is don’t lose heart. There’s aways light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not necessarily the Melbourne/Adelaide Express.

  358. John Sanders: that’s the spirit, keep on wiping your arse on books, that’s all they’re good for.

  359. Petebowes on May 5, 2017 at 11:41 pm said:

    …. as a matter of fact, Brown was the source of quite a bit of fake news, which is unusual for such a senior detective, don’t you think?

  360. John sanders on May 5, 2017 at 11:52 pm said:

    NP: Tend to agree to a degree Nick; I’ve just finished a book by Dr. Rex Lipman titled ‘luck’s with a lady’. All about the Adelaide Solomons with heaps of sons to choose from, but only a couple of likely starters of the right vintage and both proved to be kosher in the plumbing department. Still looking for the shlomo who missed the cut and Reggy Harris of ‘secret formula’ notoriety may be a starter. His attempts to defy the forces of gravity are said to have failed on 21/6/49 though who knows what calendar was in play…and a hearty hi-ho silverstein awayyyy into the fray.

  361. Byron Deveson on May 6, 2017 at 9:59 am said:

    Pete, I think Gordon said that one of the detectives on the SM case was a crypto communist. I assumed that it was Brown.This could explain the mess and muddle that surrounds this case. Creative incompetence at work.

  362. Byron: sounds to me like there’s too much speculation and assumption wrapped up in that single small package for it to be genuinely useful. 🙁

  363. John sanders on May 6, 2017 at 2:12 pm said:

    Pete: For starters Brown only made detective in October of ’48 and that hardly makes him senior in my opinion. We don’t know who the alleged red under the bed was, it could have been Strangway who was said to be investigating from day one and who was never spoken of again even though he was very senior, even to Leane. Could it have been that constable Moss (Solomon?) was awaiting the callout from old John Lyons, the early morning swimmer who had walked all the way home to sound the alarm. Why didn’t he call from the crippled children’s home just across the way and why did both gentlemen later attest to the crime scene being undisturbed. Well what about the stomping, shitting racehorses that were said to be present before both arrived on the crime scene; it’s no wonder that SM’s dentures weren’t found. Why did Moss also make mention of the busy stairs to the beach when he would have known that they had been unusable since demolished by the April storm. None of this has been raised previously and I’m wondering why not.

  364. Byron: do you remember the comment you made about the notes a female journalist made when interviewing Brown, where she wrote that the other number was Boxall’s?
    John S: six months should be enough time for a few Adelaide chippies to erect a new set of stairs, yes?
    Nick: America was almost rancid anti-communist about this time and Australian internee camps were full of them. America wished Australia would get their act together and begin rooting them out of government, as did the MI5.
    A speculator’s buffet.

  365. milongal on May 7, 2017 at 10:13 pm said:

    Brown does come across as vague and clumsy (if you read the research/script for the 1976 doco (as opposed to watching the doco) it almost seems as his answers to questions change – in part because of angles the interviewer takes (that is, he seems to be vague and struggle to recollect in one take, and definitively confirm the interviewers questions in the next). I’d sort of assumed a lot of the clumsiness at the time was down to 2 things:
    1) They assumed this to be a mundane missing persons which would sort itself out
    2) Brown and Leane were relatively late on the case (which means they didn’t necessarily process the original evidence). With that in mind, it’s interesting that (again, in the notes for the doco) Leane seems to insist there was a syringe nearby – sort of putting his reliability into question.

    I think I’ve said before I subscribe to Hanlon’s razor: “Given a situation caused by malice or incompetence, always assume incompetence”. The problem with the idea of detectives befuddling the investigation is that too many “breakthroughs” seem to have appeared at a time when they were unnecessary and if anything, brought spotlight back to the case. The whole finding of the Tamam Shud slip is so peculiar that it almost has to have been planted – but what does that achieve other than bumping the investigation up into people’s minds again.

    If we are to believe this idea that SM was all tangled up with the espionage crowd, then we have to believe that someone, somewhere knew this, and should have had enough influence to make the problem go away (it would be easy enough for someone to give a definite identification of someone who barely exists, surely?). This is one of the difficulties with the spy theory – if we believe the labels were removed as part of a through search, how is it the Tamam Shud fragment wasn’t found? These people were supposedly experts at finding even the most innocuous concealment – yet they missed a pretty obvious one?
    Of course, most people explain this as deliberate befuddlement – but what’s the purpose? At the time the TS slip (and subsequently Rubaiyat) is found, what does it do other than adding intrigue to the case. If you were trying to mask the fact that this guy was a top operative somewhere, why suddenly ‘discover’ a code that will have people speculate spy theories? Is this an attempt by “good guys” on the inside trying to flag a cover up? Perhaps this is some sort of signal to someone in the “homeland” – but even that seems overly cumbersome. The problem to my mind is that as we speculate that sort of thing we seem to deliberately complicate the situation just to satisfy ourselves that it makes sense.

    As for the stairs….they look to me to be concrete (other than the last 5 steps) so I don’t think they’d be knocked out by a storm….

  366. John sanders on May 7, 2017 at 10:49 pm said:

    On second thoughts, and in a Strangway, Harry was most unlikely to have been our Sapol resident ‘lefty’. It appears that he was more likely to have been an ultra rightist, British to the bootstraps and fair dinkum Aussie patriot. In 1928 Commissioner ‘the bull’ Leane, as one of Tom Blamey’s ‘red terror’ extermination team busted the Adelaide dockers strike and carved up his ‘plain-clothes’ boys who had been in cahoots with the alleged bolshi’s. Not in a Strangway, I’m thinking that Harry and his old loyalist mate Detective Sgt. ‘Scan’ Sutherland, both born during Queen Vicki’s reign, had been partners in crime stopping since those heady tumultic events and we now know that they were the first team assigned to the Somerton Beach case.

  367. John sanders on May 8, 2017 at 3:49 am said:

    With regards to Sgt./Const. John Moss of Brighton Police, and quite apart from the four porkies he told at the inquest, he was another one of the old school street cops and a good one, apparently a mate of Scan Sutherland and and to all accounts competent as station boss cum prosecutor in the Glenelg district for many years. In fact SM was not the first beach body attendance in his various well reported case loads (bush fires, dog bites, drunken S’pore/American engineer, lost day-old chicks &c.) In 1943 he was first on the scene an attempted murder/suicide right there at X marks the spot. The body was that of an airforce officer, recently widowed who had taken the easy way out with a gunshot to the temple. His infant child was also shot, but still living when delivered by Sgt. Moss across the way to the Alvington crippled kiddies home. Interestingly Sqd.Ldr. Bungee had been known to the constable, so onne can’t help but wonder whether this may have been applicable in the Somerton man case. On a similarly sad note, we find that the good constable was subsequently demoted and also transferred to a shithole posting but the powers that be have not been forthecoming with any relevant details. And the lesson for to-day; Get caught out telling fibs in Court and you’ll most likely end up in Coventry (Henley Beach), minus a stripe or two.

  368. John sanders on May 8, 2017 at 4:08 am said:

    ……Demotion of Sgt. Moss is an assumption on my part. He had been O.I.C of Brighton but did not retain that title at his new posting as far as I can tell.

  369. John sanders on May 8, 2017 at 10:26 pm said:

    Anyone remember the old Wrigley gum wrappers that had some sort of random alphabetical code under the flap of each individual stick I think. When we were kids it was believed that if you could get one with all 26 letters in an A to Z run, you could send it off to their Asquith HQ and a full box of gum would be sent back gratis,but alas I certainly don’t recall the proposition ever eventuating. I can’t offhandedly think of how such usefull information could be put to use for the purposes of passing messages but of course it would certainly be simple enough. And whilst on SMs few pocket offerings as yet undiscussed, it seems that there were two hair combs one of which was said to be a US army type made of metal. I don’t recall that there was any such item on standard issue to servicemen, certainly not post ww2 although a little stainless steel shaving mirror with a hang hole was a thoughtfull addition to our kit. I’m thinking that the comb was for an alternate purpose, but if not a horse comb, then I know not what other use it would serve.

  370. John sanders on May 9, 2017 at 2:52 am said:

    With this post I’m going to be wearing my spook shoes, so some might be cautioned to look away as this could get messy. Remember the small sheet of zinc aloid with the fold in the centre and the length of light cord. They shall now be referred to as the ‘anchor’ & ‘snag’ respectively, with the metal comb being the ‘jig’ and the procedure working just as well for delivery and collection. The dead drops are identified as various beach locations specified in the Rubaiyat code book by initials in plain, with some letters known to be without value. To effect delivery your man simply goes to the assigned beach location, digs down into the sand about a foot or two, places the anchor and message along with the snag cord in its fold then fills the hole being sure to leave a short piece of the knotted snag visible if possible. For retrieval, if by some chance he can’t see the snag end (at night), he locates it using his jig comb as a rake then simply pulls upwards and takes his message from within the anchor fold. If we’re to believe this line, on the day in question, SM may originally have intended to make his drop at Outer Harbor (O with cross on code sheet & Henley Beach nearest station in those days), then on to a pick up at Somerton…But something went horribly amiss, though at least he cleverly and courageously attempted to get word of this back to HQ and quite effectively it seems, if that is how it all went down of course. You’all can be the judge and I’ll reserve my opinion should it be of any relevance to the particular proceedings at this pointin time.

  371. milongal: I think the key is to avoid impatience. By which I mean trying not to be so annoyed by the inscrutability of the Rubaiyat slip that you feel compelled to weave a story around it, whether spy-themed or otherwise. 🙂

  372. milongal on May 9, 2017 at 10:17 pm said:

    @JS: Outer Harbor Railway Station opened 1926 – and Osborne (2 stops up the current line) was open by 1908. In fact, according to Wikipedia the entire OH line with the exception of St Clair (2014, although Cheltenham Racecourse used to be there before that) and North Haven (1981) was already there (oh, nobody seems to know when Draper came to be either). Not sure what the frequency of Service would’ve been (in those days there wouldn’t have been much housing on the Peninsula, I’d imagine, so the primary purpose would’ve been connecting to Ships?).
    FWIW: I did try some time ago to match some of those initials to Railway Stations in SA, and nothing obvious came out….of course if we extended it to suburbs in general something might come out.

    AFAIK the only Adelaide suburb (ever) with a ‘Q’ is Queenstown which has existed in some form since the 19th Century but it’s not clear whether it was more than a post office in that era. Wikipedia helpfully offers:
    “The first Queenstown Post Office opened around 1865 and closed around 1869. An Alberton West office was renamed Queenstown East in 1948, then Queenstown in 1966 before closing in 1976”
    which doesn’t definitively mean anything, but suggests in 1948 there might have been a “Queenstown East” post office (which if Outer Harbor is O rather than OH, then Queenstown East is plausibly Q). But to me the letters being randomish- suburb initials isn’t helpful (how do we resolve multiple ‘T’) and I think the crossed out MLIAO sort of works against that too….

    @Nick: At the risk of overanalysing (which might be your point) the Rubaiyat is problematic (I think moreso than the TS slip itself). Without it, the whole story becomes mundane, yet I haven’t yet seen a satisfactory link. In some respects, this is true of the entire case – that for almost any of the proposed theories to be true we simultaneously need to believe opposites (eg the police/spies were simultaneously thorough and incompetent; or he was a poor man yet ye bought both a bus and train ticket one of which he didn’t need (and a pastie); etc). We can explain some of it away (eg the TS slip was left for the police to find and they missed it) but that then makes the Rubaiyat a little problematic (it almost suggests the person who found it was waiting, holding on to it until the TS was found – a more likely scenario would be it either ending up in lost property somewhere (if there was any perceived value), or being discarded). So all of that would then make everything about the Rubaiyat significant and deliberate yet it appears to have only befuddled the investigation. Was it a sign to someone then? Even this is difficult to see – how do you know it would be widely (or widely enough) publicised? If TS had been discovered immediately would it have had the same effect? And yet, on face value, when wee don’t even know that SM was wearing his own clothes, how are we to know the slip of paper relates to him at all and not someone else related to the clothes? For mine, this is sort of an avenue (albeit a very narrow one) to entertain the Pavel idea (I’m still not aware of any evidence of him ever being in Aus) – and explain the differences. That perhaps SM was set up to make someone think Pavel had died (you need a body who looks very vaguely similar, and you rely on the fact that the story rather than the picture will tell the tale….) – but it still relies on the fragment AND the book it came from. Increasingly I start to think that TS and the Rubaiyat are incidental rather than important – but that doesn’t really sit comfortably either (not least for reasons outlined above) – and it still makes Boxall one helluva coincidence (although he is that either way, I suppose).
    One of the problems with Rubaiyat turning up so late in the piece is that the pencil could have appeared there at any time. Perhaps the finder’s kids were scribbling Wrigley wrappers on there (a’la JS suggested); perhaps the finder had at some scribbled phone numbers there (jotted one down that he needed at the time, and later forgot he might have put it there – or perhaps been afraid he’d somehow implicate himself) – the point is, that even if we link TS to SM not just the clothes, and even if we link the Rubaiyat to the TS (there’s an assertion it was a positive match, but I’m going to question that too) then we still haven’t linked the scribblings in the Rubaiyat to SM. Anyway, that was certainly my point, and I suspect your (far more succinct one too) – there’s a lot of over-speculation about the Rubaiyat….

  373. John sanders on May 10, 2017 at 3:36 am said:

    Whilst my suggestion that letters of the code represented various beach locations for dead drops, I did mention that some letters were assigned no value which certainly would have included the multiples. I only put up Outer Harbor as a possible because It seemed to fit the scenario nicely and assumed Henley Beach rail was a likely point for embarking thereto. Of course my whole proposition was only intended as a discussion point and therefore not necessarily my own personal theory on the so called Somerton man conundrum. Mind you ‘the beach burial’ business is not new to spydom so all I can really take credit for is getting the spelling of O. H. correct….Misconstrued Logic Initiates Acrimonious Objections.

  374. Milongal: Almost missed your deliberate mistake with the last letter omission from the code’s struck second line….Intuitively should fit handsomely enough I feel.

  375. milongal on May 10, 2017 at 9:40 pm said:

    lol JS – the missing I was a genuine oversight

  376. milongal on May 12, 2017 at 2:20 am said:

    Another reason I don’t think Fedosimov was SM (or vice versa, if you like)…..

    The International Atomic Energy Agency has had general conferences since 1957. From 1958 until 1966 these were attended for the USSR (in varying capacity, sometimes as alternate delegate, sometimes as an advisor and with varying title) by a P. I. Fedosimov. In the later conferences, his attendence is listed as “Pavel I. Fedosimov”.
    I found somewhere that Fedosimov’s DoB was 1910 (unfortunately I can’t find the exact date anymore).
    Aside from the fact that this would put him at 38 in Dec 1948 (unless his birthday was in Dec, in which case he’d be 37), and marginally younger than our lower bound for SM (though not by much, and not enough to exclude him for certain, I suppose); this would also put him at 55 or 56 at the time of the last conference he attended. Given the retirement age in the USSR appears to have been 60, it is likely that the public service would have retired earlier, and 55 looks like a possible retirement (actually I’ve also found evidence certain “harmful or dangerous” workers might have retired at 50 or 55 – and you would imagine this would include spy types).
    Given the dates (and the difficulty to find even 1 Pavel Fedosimov) I would say this representative at the IAEA is the same Major Fedosimov of Venona association.

    2c

  377. John sanders on May 14, 2017 at 2:19 pm said:

    NP: I’m sure you have picked up on my recent diversions, but some of them may yet prove valid. Like you, I still think that our old buddy Tom Keane may still be the main common denominator in all this. Pray tell, did you ever make any headway with inquiries with the insurance firms as to policies in that name, either payed out or submitted for their consideration. To be effective for a death clause increment payout, such a claim would, obviously, and by the company’s own stringent provisions not be valid if suicide was the cause. I can’t help but take note of the fact that our man appeared to have been attired in garb befitting a man attending his own funeral and that he had chosen a place that almost guaranteed he would be located in fairly short shrift. You’ll also recall that Det. Leane (much later in the day), stated that a syringe was found some distance from the body, and in those days, one would think it to have certainly been of some significance, though apparently not in this case. To take this scheme one step further, and suggesting that the man was doing everything so at to facilitate his own nefarious intentions, I’m thinking that he may have overlooked something not considered likely. Many a low paid detective in those days would have had good and rewarding contacts with the big insurance companies, and so to plant a piece of evidence likely to have a claim denied would not have been too difficult to arrange. Just a little slip of paper suggestive of ‘the end’ inserted discreetly in an out of the way place, (to be discovered seemingly by chance at the appropriate time and place) would do the trick, don’t you agree?.

  378. John sanders: if a “low paid detective” was trying to turn the Somerton Man’s death into some kind of insurance scam, I’d say they Darcy Cocked it right up. 🙂

  379. John sanders on May 15, 2017 at 2:01 am said:

    NP: Frankly speaking, I must say that I was a little surprised and somewhat unsettled by your flippant comments regarding the perceived actions of a deceased person; for all we know D’Arcy may have had roots within our Aboriginal or Torres Straight Island peoples, which does necessitate an appropriate measure of caution. That having been said, and somewhat more to the point, I tend to agree with you, but still feel that Mr. Cock’s prick relation Dr. Cowling might merit some further investigation, you never know, we may be in for an eDeucation….L.O.L but likewise a little L.o.l….Leane on logic!.

  380. John Sanders: it was your half-Darcy-Cocked conspiracy theory, not mine. 🙂

  381. John sanders on May 15, 2017 at 10:18 pm said:

    NP: Guilty as charged no doubt, although I prefer the more subtle term of enhanced propositional hypotheses (pl). Conspiracy is such a harsh and frequently misassigned word; always puts me in mind of Roswell NM ’47, ‘the grassy knoll’ Dallas, ’63 and of course building 07 NY, 9/11. None of the above should be confused with things like Mr. Voynich’s manuscript for instance, which some consider to be a hoax; the difference being in that the latter can be well managed by a single and determined mind freak.

  382. Petebowes on May 16, 2017 at 8:21 am said:

    The difference being that the latter can be well managed by a collective of determined linguists. None of whom appear to be contributing at this point of time, or am I wrong?

  383. John Sanders on May 16, 2017 at 9:52 am said:

    Pete: Determined perhaps but not so cunning (sic); that’s my kind of linguist.

  384. Petebowes: my belief is that Voynich research (linguistic or cryptologic) has never been “well managed” in any useful sense of the phrase; and that it has suffered for this lack in much the same way that Somerton Man research has.

  385. Petebowes on May 16, 2017 at 11:48 am said:

    Well managed. That’s a useful phrase. Is it well managed to try to solve the Somerton mystery without considering espionage in the same way it is well managed to try to solve the Voynich mystery without using the skills of a linguist?

  386. Petebowes: what Voynich Manuscript linguistic researchers keep failing to understand is that they have arrived before the party has started. The reason they get no answer when they knock on the door is that everyone is out at the supermarket buying crisps and booze.

    By way of comparison, what Somerton Man espionage researchers keep failing to understand is that they’re knocking on the wrong door completely. For one, the Rubaiyat note is acrostic, which means that it is an aide memoire for the writer (and not a secret code for communication). And for another, there is precisely zero evidence that unnamed secret services went around Australia adding microwriting to photographs and book dedications (a suggestion, moreover, that has been unambiguously disproved by the most recent sets of scans).

  387. milongal on May 16, 2017 at 9:44 pm said:

    @JS: I think Leane mentioned a syringe in a take that never made the doco (pretty sure it’s in the National Archive’s record (there’s 2 files full of detail for the doco)), but the fact that the actual published version didn’t have it strikes me as interesting, as does the idea that Leane wouldn’t have even been to the scene until well afterward (by which time a “syringe near the body” is actually “a syringe sort of in the vicinity where the body had been found”). Nonethteless, it does strike me a little interesting it was ignored by all others – either noone else knew about it, or they didn’t think it significant….

    I (probably unfairly) wonder about the reliability of Leane. The interview where he mentions the syringe was well after the fact again, and he was a reasonably old man (possibly with his own unproven theories as to what actually happened) so between memory fades and wanting the facts to be a particular way anything is possible. But the bit that gets me the most is that there’s a scribble on the film notes along the lines of “Coopers for Leane” – which suggests to me that he was ok to be interviewed as long as they bought him some beer (for the non Australian, Coopers is South Australia’s (Australia’s, even?) longest continuously family owned brewery). We all like beer (which is perhaps why I feel I’m a little unfair), but it strikes me a touch unusual that where everyone else is getting $50 for an interview, Leane is insisting on beer (and in the 70’s I’d be guessing you could get 2-3 cartons for $50).

  388. Petebowes on May 16, 2017 at 11:00 pm said:

    Some Voynich party, it’s only been been going on for a couple of hundred years and still no champagne. Not a lot of women invited either. No linguists, nobody from the sub-continent, no gypsies, no Indian speakers ….
    The Voynich club. Membership restricted. Must be blind in one eye.
    And congratulations on reaching a position with regard to the Somerton Man and his code. It’s Acrostic. Why didn’t I think of that?
    And the small square of paper he carried in his pocket? The secrecy surrounding the finding of the book? The photograph of the overwriting that covered the indentations? The missing back cover? The hole in the back page of the book, the one that matched the small square of paper?
    You must think that the idea of two men using such a method as a means of covertly identifying each other is without precedence, a nonsense.
    I don’t know how you can make your way around the supermarket aisles without the assistance of a seeing eye dog.

  389. John sanders on May 16, 2017 at 11:03 pm said:

    NP: I’m pretty sure that we simpler folk are quite satisfied with the Rubaiyat’s acrostic make-up, but thanks for the reminder; afterall, how could we deny the ruling by such an authority as Eric Nave, the WW2 cipher decryption expert. Still we must not ridicule those lesser intellects who maintain that the note surely relates to the nefarious doings of coldwar subversive elements; we could end up with shit in our feces. Which reminds me of your own previously stated contention that the agnostic, godless Kremlinites may well have had architecturally based connections to the much more intellectually satisfying, though hoax-like Voynich manuscript.

  390. John sanders on May 17, 2017 at 8:11 am said:

    The off whitish openweave tie is the only suitcase item marked T. (Sic) KEANE, correct?, the two other marked items of apparel and a washing bag being marked either KEAN or KEANE. We do not know who wrote those names, though we have always assumed that it was likely to have been either the original owner or any number of laundry workers who had taken delivery thereof. Note that all the letters are in upper case and printed, as one would expect; that is all except the initial that proceeds KEANE on the tie and it is followed by a period dot. Whilst it has the appearance of a cursive T., it has also been suggested that it is the number seven which I personally doubt, mainly because of the period. So where does that leave us?; might I be so bold as to suggest that it may not have been put there by either Keane the owner or the laundry staff and that it’s inclusion, most likely at a later date was for a definate purpose, so as to be more specific on ownership ie. namely Thomas which oddly has always been seen as the main contender. We don’t seem to have given consideration to any of the other first names beginning with the letter T, almost as if we were conditioned to the fact, somewhere along the way that Thomas Keane with the E was our only contender. To further support my contention, wouldn’t it be more likely for a person writing a name on fabric, to do it all in print so as to make it more legible. That particular unidentifiable initiating stroke was placed to deceive in my opinion, but by whom and to what end, I can’t offer a definitive answer…As an addendum, it might be reasonable to assume with confidence that the surname Keane or Keane and like derivatives have their origins in Ireland or Scotland, though such an assertion could be somewhat contentious. What folks might not be aware of is that the very same name spelling Keane and Kean, meaning bold or sharp, is also of Germanic decent as a male Christian name; so there’s food for thought.

  391. Petebowes: the idea of using a matching piece of paper as a means of identifying a person genuinely goes back to the 13th century (the Knights Templar did it), so seeing this as a necessarily espionage-linked activity would seem to be a bit shallow.

    As to the rest of your comment… more fool you.

  392. Petebowes on May 17, 2017 at 8:35 am said:

    Both certainties and uncertainties are fundamental types of knowledge: discuss.

  393. Petebowes: done that. 🙂

  394. Petebowes on May 17, 2017 at 9:48 am said:

    Showboat.

  395. Angor Remi on May 17, 2017 at 11:54 am said:

    @milongal: Not sure it was Major Fedosimov (i think that’s just come from a codename in the Vassilijev documents (Maj/May – which refered to Fed’s predecessor Stepan. Interestingly Fed’s codename was Stepan too).

    Now in one of the conferences mentioned it says Fed’s wife was there. I wonder if we can find a name? I’m pretty sure the Fed of US fame was wed to a Vera Fedosimova (That’s the feminine form).

    As well as Pavel and Vera (who travelled to the US in 1944) there’s a Paul Fedossimov of a similar age who travelled to the US in 1939.
    What say ye to that tgen?

  396. milongal on May 17, 2017 at 10:15 pm said:

    Oops on the “Major” – I took that from elsewhere without thinking….

    Other than that there’s not much to say, but I will anyway. It would be certainly interesting if we could verify that the wife of Fedosimov in the late 50’s and 60’s was also Vera – but I’m sure it would be dismissed as coincidence too.

    I would be inclined to dismiss Paul too. While Paul is certainly a possible translation for Pavel and Fedossimov looks to be a different spelling of Fedossimov, there’s several reasons why I think we can dismiss this particular instance:
    1) let’s consider why people would anglicize their name:
    a) Because they want to fit into another society – Plausible for an immigrant; less likely for a foreign diplomat who will be representing the country he’s proud of (and let’s not forget this instance is BEFORE all that Venona stuff)
    b) because they want to obscure their identity – and I think firstly a spy would be more obscure (eg “Fred Bloggs” instead) and wouldn’t be doing it BEFORE they took up their post, unless they were going to keep that identity
    2) If he changes to Paul Fedossimov to go to America, why revert back to Pavel once he’s arrived
    3) The 1944 travel is (as I understand it) more consistent with when Fedosimov started his stint in the Embassy

    It is sort of interesting that despite the trouble we have in finding any trace of (any) Fedosimov other than mentions in the Venona diaries there’s still an insistence that it’s a very common name and that there were clearly multiple Fedosimovs. Part of the problem is that we’re all arguing on blogs. While blogs are great for disseminating information (or certainly opinion) a blog is not much good if it reveals everything all at once – so the trick is to appear to have a full story (or even actually have one), and gradually leak out the detail. So you’ll notice regular assertions that “all will be revealed” and even “if you knew the detail we know you wouldn’t be saying that”. Unfortunately, I’ll continue to believe SM wasn’t Fedosimov until there’s some solid proof that he is – and at the moment there just seems to be a lot of handwaving and assurance that “trust me, it is” – despite (in my opinion) stronger evidence against than for. One of the problems I have with that blog in particular is that it seems to suffer massively from Confirmation Bias (yes, I know I harp on about that). For example, consider that when Fedosimov was first brought into the equation, there was some confusion over identities, and the photo of Nikolai Novikov was accidentally billed as being Fedosimov. Already at that time we were being told of the similarities between Novikov and SM, and when the error was realised there was some sleight of hand to say “actually, this guy is a better match” (admittedly, I think one commentor had made that observation in the comments before the switch – although I can’t seem to find that comment, so I might be wrong).

    I also think it’s interesting that the US put a border watch on Fedosimov in 1951 – 3 years after he left the country. While it’s possible that that simply reflects the slow wheels of bureaucracy, it suggests that as far as the US was aware Fedosimov was still alive or was trying to show someone that they did. For mine, short of any conclusive proof that the Pavel I Fedosimov at the IAEA conferences is different to the Fedosimov of VENONA fame I find it far easier to believe they are one and the same, and therefore Fedosimov is not SM.
    Clearly me believing so is hitting raw nerves somewhere…..

  397. milongal on May 17, 2017 at 10:32 pm said:

    Oh, and I meant to add – VENONA papers suggest Fedosimov left the US on 31 July 1948 on board the SS Pobeda (there is evidence 3 other Russian nationals missed the boat) headed for Russia – that gives him 4 months to get to Russia, visit NZ and end up in lil’ old Adelaide (on a passport that doesn’t use ‘Fedosimov’ – because we have no entry records for him). Certainly not in possible, but when 10 years later someone with an identical name turns up in Russia (where he was last known to be headed) as a diplomat one can’t help but think that it’s one and the same, no?

    Fedosimov was 38 in 1948 (fractionally younger than most speculate SM was, but not so much that we would dismiss him). in 1958 he was 48. This is definitely still young enough to be representing his country at the Atomic Agency’s conferences.

    I also suspect the idea of a spy in the cold war has been romanticized a little in a lot of the speculation – and that while Fedosimov was probably involved in espionage I don’t think it was necessarily to the level where he would feel the need to alter his identity to enter Australia – depending on the exact circumstance of his departure from the US he wouldn’t necessarily think there was a need to change his name….

  398. John sanders on May 18, 2017 at 2:14 am said:

    We’ll never know upon what clues old Jack Cleland based his rather confident assessment that the man before him on the mortuary slab was a ‘Britisher’ Could it have been the smug, imperious public school set of his jowls, or was it the presence of various well documented physical deformities, that may have hinted at inbreeding. Whichever ever it may be, I somewhat reluctantly find that I’m in agreement with the old expert. Then we have the single photo of Pavel Fedosimov, which may or may not have been enhanced. Not withstanding, it would be virtually impossible to reform those piggy eyes and imploded nasal features without a full blown facial reconstruction. He undoubtedly has those typical eastern Slavic features and no dyed in the wool Britisher should likely be mistaken for your average person of Slav background; that would be insulting to both races. I know That you lads over there, Gordon, Clive and Misca have put a lot of time into this identification and full credit to you; I’m sorry to say I think you’re mistaken folks, but I’ll be the first to applause if I’m proved wrong.

  399. bdid1dr on May 18, 2017 at 5:43 pm said:

    Apparently Nick has removed every post I’ve made over the past two years. That’s OK —I’m fairly certain that Bumpkin will be doing some followup. I would hope that Nick is compiling posts (rather than deleting them).

    I’m hoping to travel to Alamogordo for their next tour (and maybe ‘open book’ discussions, if they have them).

    I still insist that “Somerton Man aka Shackelford, was working with the scientists at “White Sands” (pre-bomb-development name) for the facility designed and built specifically for making the bombs which destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    I was born in 1943 (Illinois). By 1945-46 my parents were ‘purifying’ uranium produced by Malinckrodt Industries for making the bombs for Einstein, Oppenheimer, and Oliphant. et al.

    Mr. Shackelford ‘escaped’ from White Sands/Alamogordo, when he learned for what purpose the bombs were being made.
    So, Nick, have you become very tired of my contributions — or are you more tired of Mr. Sanders?

  400. bdid1dr: over the past few months, I’ve had to moderate out a lot of your comments, simply because you’ve begun repeating yourself over and over again, while saying less and less.

    I’ve allowed through literally thousands of your comments over recent years (more than any other CM commenter by far), but even I have to draw the line somewhere.

  401. milongal on May 18, 2017 at 8:04 pm said:

    @JS you make a good point. From Prof Abbott:
    “The ginger tinge of his hair plus large limbs could point toward a Scottish ancestry. This means the probability of a Scottish ancestry is a little higher, but by no means certain.”

    I hadn’t actually given too much thought to the “Britisher” comment – but you’re probably right that it is quite significant (my heritage is Baltic (2 generations ago), and though I speak the local (‘Strayan) lingo well enough I more often get mistaken for Mediterranean (if there is a such a thing) than British….

    Incidentally, I don’t want to stir the pot more than already has been, but i did come across a picture of the Russian Foreign Minister Molotov meeting the Canadian foreign minister Pearson in 1956. Unnamed in the picture (walking along side the Russian minister) is a large lumbering man who could be Fedosimov….Certainly I could imagine some likeness in facial features, plus height….but I think it’s probably easy to get carried away and see what you want to see….

  402. Wolfmother on May 24, 2017 at 9:09 pm said:

    The cipher tells you the pass word of this one touch pad. The book was used so you’d know which passage by layout of the code. All keys in word from using the this book are alcohols. The alchemy of subtle grape transforming to form a key. Pass key is gleneg like the street he died on. Solution was handed to NSA back in 2011. Code reads that they needed to set up shop in Melbourne due to a pipe leak. Both gleneg and loureg are single malt whiskey made in great Britains turf. Forgive my horrid spelling of the two most expensive alcohols used by the Queen herself. Body was potentially id as a British American who travelled after intentionally leaving his I’d in an American bar. I’d matches photos at time of death, unknown if it was the man’s real name. He was informing them he had found a sleeper sympathetic to the Russians and was leaking information. He was sending where the leak needed to be sealed for the protection of the American people during that time. Thought you would want to know.

  403. milongal on May 24, 2017 at 11:03 pm said:

    At the risk of getting flamed some, what if the rubaiyat is a hoax gone wrong? The TS fragment doesn’t appear to match the tears in the book, and perhaps there was pressure on the analyst to confirm the findings so the paper was found to “undoubtedly” be the same. Even today people make up stories or try to link themselves to high-profile stories (for a joke, or for fame, or for some other reason) and perhaps the Rubaiyat was just that. In this case, the scribblings become irrelevant, and the phone numbers are less unusual.

    And I don’t think the idea is all that far fetched – we have to distrust some evidence, but ‘most every idea that we can come up with needs us to believe that some evidence and/or conclusions that came from it are flawed….
    The biggest problem (I think) with the idea the Rubaiyat was an irrelevant hoax idea is the anonymity of the finder.
    (NB: Just to be clear, I’m not discounting the TS fragment (which I think others have accused of being a plant anyway), but rather that the Rubaiyat that was “definitively” linked to the fragment may have been a joke gone wrong – and it’s a thought for consideration rather than a claim it was so).

  404. milongal: I have something to email you a little later, hopefully you’ll like it. 🙂

  405. Wolfmother on May 26, 2017 at 12:28 am said:

    If it is a hoax then why does the code show you which verse to use? The hand of fate moved forward and did not scratch out a line but continued on? Reading what was one of the most popular spy novels of the time is important. His actions prior suggest he knew he had a tail and took the laudnaum, arsenic and cyanide to not be taken living. I fail to see how the evidence should be did regarded when it is crucial to police work and reconstruction of what occurred to find out why and to whom.

  406. milongal on May 26, 2017 at 10:50 am said:

    Hi Nick – I’ll look forward to it (I had used a fairly old email address that I wasn’t actually using, but I have managed to make it active again – and sent a test email).

    I notice our friend in the online world has now also found US interest in Ivanovich as late as 1959. It comes as limited surprise since:
    1) the US put him on a watchlist in 1951
    2) he attended a while bunch of IAEA conferences until the late 1960’s.

    Still, they seem to hold firm on the idea that the name might have outlived the person (or something).

  407. milongal: I’m not sure the word ‘friend’ quite sums him up, bless ‘im.

  408. bdid1dr on May 26, 2017 at 3:20 pm said:

    @Nick: Would you be able to find a full-facial photograph of Professor Szilard at the University of Chicago?

  409. Eammon on June 3, 2017 at 1:04 pm said:

    nickpelling: Steve passes his thanks to you for your recommendation to me. I thank-you, also. B Deveson: thank-you for your reply.

    Expanding on a previous post here, or elsewhere. I agree the writing at the back may have something to do with nursing. Blood types. A. B. AB. O. ML could be nursing profession (or personal) shorthand of the day for “male”?

    The… I …might be a forward slash or represent a 1930s-1940s typeface space break seeing as there’s a “hang” in the G and the C. Note how I am unable to type in the capital letter I (as in: I for India) with horizontal stems to top and bottom.

  410. Eammon on June 15, 2017 at 12:24 pm said:

    The opening statement above includes phone number X3239. The back cover of Feltus’ book has W9048. Is that also a phone number?

    On the Websleuths site to do with Taman (sic) Shud I have posted: Jestyn is a boy’s name.

  411. Eamonn: Gerry Feltus confirmed a couple of years back that W9048 doesn’t actually mean anything, it was just decoration. Yes, “Jestyn” is indeed a boy’s name, but nobody quite knows where Jo Thomson’s “JEstyn” signature came from, despite numerous speculations. :-/

  412. Archie Versace on June 23, 2017 at 7:57 pm said:

    Hi, I’m new to this case, in fact I just read about it today. When I was a young man I worked in a Glasgow pub called The Rubaiyat. Old timers there told me that there is a strong connection with Omar Khayam’s book and the Masonic lodge. Whether that is just with Scottish masons or worldwide I don’t know. Might be a new angle ? Cheers.

  413. Archie Versace: it’s rare to find anything linking the words Freemason and History that isn’t just hopeful nonsense, but perhaps there’s something to the story, who knows?

    PS: do you have a cousin called Barney Armani? Just askin’. 🙂

  414. Misca on June 26, 2017 at 2:16 am said:

    W9048 seems to be the only thing in Gerry’s book that (according to him) doesn’t mean anything. He’s most likely being truthful but with all his effort to document only facts…why allow bs artwork to throw it all off?

  415. Eammon on June 28, 2017 at 2:27 pm said:

    “JEstyn” plants Rubaiyat book with coding so as to implicate “Ronald Francis” in staged suicide of Unknown Man at Somerton Beach?

  416. Eammon on July 3, 2017 at 4:05 pm said:

    Romance of the Rubaiyat: (A comprehensive directory to the myriad editions of the Rubaiyat, the Ephemeron, Edward Fitzgerald, Omar Khayyam and the lesser Persian poets: indexed by Illustrator, Publisher and Translator.) Halbach. California. 1975. 300 editions. “An unusual listing of [Ambrose George] Potter and post-Potter Bibliography Rubaiyats and related items. Shortcomings include lack of an all-inclusive index, outdated price guide and eccentric format; but valuable for listings not in Potter, and listing post-Potter items, with annotations not available elsewhere.”

    The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam: an updated bibliography. Coumans. Leiden. 2010. “This book fills a gap by providing a new selection and description of almost 900 editions of the world-famous Persian quatrains: The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam.” “It has been published in numerous editions: precious volumes with jeweled bindings, artist’s books, scholarly and critical editions, forgeries and fake editions, making The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam a perfect object for book collectors and lovers of poetry.”

  417. milongal on July 10, 2017 at 9:54 pm said:

    You wouldn’t believe it, but something has been bugging me for a while….

    The “Code” page to me looks like it’s done in more than 1 hand (I think I’ve mentioned this before). In particular have a look at the ‘A’. In the first line there is one pointing rights, and a more rounded one pointing left. In the crossed out line there is a broader one, with the cross bar over hanging . The next line has one more like the second one in the top row, some are more round others more triangular. etc….
    Then havce a look at the formation of the B’s, D’s and P’s – and again there appear to be at least 2 separate styles (some are pointier others more curved, some curve up around the vertical stroke, others meet it fairly straight, others again leave a gap). And the ‘Q’ looks more careless than any of the ‘O’. I won’t comment on the ‘M’s because they might be ‘W’s anyaway….
    Certainly some of the letters seem to have an extra flourish and or lean.

    Next let’s have a look at the spacing. The last 2 lines bunch together quite a bit, but the interesting one for mine is the crossed out one – which starts very broadly spaced. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s as simple as alternating letters by different perople, because the spacings are all wrong for that….
    It’s this crossed out line that really bother me, though. Assuming this was an initialised poem, all the other lines are planned to fit (lines one and 3 finish well clear of the edge of the page) but line 2 (the crossed out one) is just wasting space.

    Now in the struck out MLIA and the one that remains, the formation of the letters looks similar – except the ‘A’ (which interestingly maintains a longer cross-stroke even though it is narrower and more angled).

    The other thing that strikes me a little is that if you ignore the ‘C’ looking character and take out the “AB” signature (which looks more like a flourished “AR” you can almost imagine a diagonal line (roughly parallel with the crease on the ‘D’ down the page (in fact the ‘C’ almost fits nicely as a partial letter – except the shape’s wrong).
    It’s not clear whether these letters were actually on the page, or indentations from another page, but suppose it’s the latter? Suppose that there were multiple pages under the one being written on, so the indentations are clear where the other page was directly on this one, but disappear where another page got in the way. The top ‘D’ and the ‘C’ might have been filled in as a ‘best guess’ and the signature may come from another instance when we were leaning on the same book.
    Getting really conspiratorial, suppose the flourished ‘R’/’B’ was also a “buest guess” (you’ll noticeut has a totally different form to the other ‘R’ in the code, and while the shape looks a little more like (some of) the ‘B’s, the top loop hangs a lot lower. What if it’s a ‘K’ (that has been assumed into a ‘B’ by the analysts)? What if the signature is ‘AK’? Could it represent an “Anthony” or “Antony” (or “Tony”?) Keane?

    For mine, if the code was actual pencil markings, then there are too many inconsistencies between letters for it to have been written by one person – and if it were lifted from indentations then it’s likely suffered interpretation (but in this case I think it’s incredibly unreliable because it’s possible that there were shedloads of scratchings and the police just found arbitrary ‘letters’ that roughly appeared to line up).

    Finally, the (first) ‘A’ in the last row simply looks totally wrong to me – almost like it’s something else mis-interpreted (but probably not a ‘4’)…..

    But none of that makes any sense….

  418. milongal on July 10, 2017 at 10:05 pm said:

    oh, also anyone who might care, there’s a photo online of the beach as it is today that shows the narrowness of that stretch – it’s in the gallery for ‘astonising legends’ podcast episode 35 (google is your friend).

    One thing that occurs to me (other than the tide) is where was the witness who saw the person on the beach wave? They were apparently ‘not close enough to make out the face distinctly’. This suggests they weren’t between him and the water. Speculating further, it woudl mean that if they were North of him, they must have turned around before passing him, otherwise they would have passed quite close to him. This would seem to suggest that they were South of the stairs (but then presumably used the stairs to leave the beach – which would have brought them closer to him again).
    So taking a giant leap, I don’t think the “weren’t close enough to make out his face in that light” is quite accurate. I think more likely when they were shown the body (or picture of) they doubted it was the same person, and their mind was torn between “it must be” and “but it doesn’t quite look like him” and they explained their unsureness as “well, it was evening and we only saw him briefly”. Couple this with time of death (even if we agree that was a vague guess). We’d be talking quite a slow acting poison if he’s groggy at 7PM but still alive near midnight (wouldn’t we?) – and I didn’t think that was consistent with any theories of the poisons involved.
    I think it suggests the groggy guy that evening was not SM, and is either one helluva coincidence; a stooge deliberately placed there (not sure why); or a figment of the witnesses’ imaginations…..of course, the man/men carrying a body later has it’s own problems – but what if that was mates picking up their drunk friend who had passed out by the stairs (that is, what if they were removing a person, not leaving one)?

  419. Shirley de Cock on July 20, 2017 at 8:16 am said:

    RGOABABD = rather go on a beach and be dead

  420. RGOABABD = rarely goes on any beach, Australian beaches deadly

  421. john sanders on July 20, 2017 at 10:25 am said:

    Shirley: Really Geat Old Adelaide Beach And Be Damned. By the way Shirls can you tell a fellow what bloody strides SM was wearing on that damned beach. We only have a choice between two, the darkish brown, possibly striped Stamina? Crusaders (the ones that come with their own set of collectable
    calling cards in the pocket), or the Marco Elasto Fit sans elasto (due to wartime shortage) in a mid ecru colour, ala those depicted in the GF Bible with a nice vista of the Olgas in the background. In the past most commentaters cunningly seem to shy away from this issue and I’d really like to get a reliable answer. What would a German pump organist be likely to wear at the damned beach on such a dead old day?.

  422. john sanders on July 20, 2017 at 10:31 am said:

    Dear moderator, ‘r’ as in reject is missing from the code.

  423. milongal on July 20, 2017 at 9:20 pm said:

    If it had a BRO in it we could blame the Blue Ring….although I think they’re maybe more common a little further North (seen them around Semaphore and Largs before, and definitely on the shores of West Lakes (yes it’s Lakes not Lake – although google seems to suggest only the rowing course is West LAkes, so I actually meant “John Dyer Lake”))

  424. Eammon on July 23, 2017 at 12:12 pm said:

    Milongal: a YouTube recreation indicates the short strip of sand between sea and seawall. Feltus’ book records Sgt Leane’s information on general weather conditions 30 November 1948 as cloudy early evening and hazy about 20:00. Adelaide Advertiser, page 8, records sunset that day at 19:14 and a low tide about 16:52 (slight to moderate seas) with a new moon on 01 December. Daylight Saving time was not practiced in SA between 1945 and 1970. Street lights were on by about 20:00. Wind was SW slowly backing SE. Feltus records only one witness as retrospectively commenting about mosquitoes on someone else that evening, so I place that comment by the witness as well intentioned, though possibly speculative.

  425. Eammon on July 23, 2017 at 2:16 pm said:

    A second attempt, post-glitch, to submit the following.

    Feltus, chapter 12, records: 25 August 1949 response to Detective Sergeant Leane from Navy Office at Port Adelaide, “…accordingly a reasonable explanation would be that the lines are the initial letters of words of poetry or such like”.

    IMHO, the purported code serves as a MacGuffin to this case.

    I say the code may be a cue card for hastily jotting lines and instructions of a stage play. The first line, first letter, is W for Winifred with first letters of words of that line for her to say. The crossed-out second line begins with M for Me or ML for My Line. The third line, first letter, is again W for Winifred. The fourth line is the M for Me or ML for My Line, corrected, followed again by a vertical bar which I contend to be a (1940s typewriter?) punctuation symbol, better represented nowadays by a colon punctuation symbol. In this fourth line, the letter O with horizontal V widening to the right may be a combined cue denoting some sort of staged action takes place at O to intergrate with a gradual increase of volume. The fifth line shows someone whose name begins with U or V and the first letters of words of that line for them to say. Shakespeare?

    Gosh. It’d even more tragic if the V in the fifth line was V for Vicar.

  426. Eammon: people have run each line of the cipher through millions of documents (including the Bard) for even partial acrostic matches, but have found no hugely convincing section of text to date.

    It’s entirely possible that some of the letters were misguessed by SAPOL, but even so it remains a mystery. :-/

  427. Looks like we’re going to be revisited by the spectre of Alf Boxall, which quite frankly I look foward to. After all he has always been the odd man out and I’m sure that had he still been with us, he’d like to come clean on his role in the SM saga. It appears that he passed away in Canberra no less and to my knowledge no one dies in the nation’s capital unless they be old failed legislators with promise of a state funeral, or else those who go their underguard and thereby succumb to interrogation under conditions of extreme predjudice. Perhaps in Alf’s case, he may have felt the need to get things off his chest while still able; after all he was 89 and it would have likely been his first time away from Maroubra since ’47 and the trip down would have given him time to prep. We might also establish whether or not he and his pal the chemist Xavier Francis ever operated a powerful transmitter while living on crabs and lilli pillis up off Groote Is. In ’44.

  428. Ships passing in The Bight, Mvs’ Boonara & Mundalla of Adelaide Steamship Co. It might prove interesting if either vessel was anywhere near home around 30/11/48 Surely someone has ready access to ‘Shipping News’ for that period.

  429. milongal on July 24, 2017 at 9:52 pm said:

    Actually JS that’s an interesting point (about Canberra). People generally move there for work (Government/Defence) – and for the most part the only people who retire there are Canberrans who initially move to the South Coast in retirement and later realise that there’s insufficient medical facilities away from the city…..

    Of course (especially if we go back a few lustra, perhaps not so much this last decade) it could be considered a large town immersed in bushland that could be an attractive, quiet place to retire for a Sydneysider or Melburnian – but I would have thought there’s plenty large country towns in NSW and Victoria that would be more attractive, unless there’s an ulterior motive to be in the capital.

    I’ve always been a bit suspicious of Boxall. There is too much coincidence in the Rubaiyat for it to be totally innocuous (it strikes me more as he and J deliberately bringing attention to themselves so that they would be excluded when his Rubaiyat was produced). But of course Boxall doesn’t fit into any of my favourite theories about who SM was (to some degree the Rubaiyat doesn’t fit in very well at all – even in the more conspiratorial ideas). If Boxall and J liked puzzles then it might be conceivable that at some stage they swapped Rubaiyat’s with a puzzle in them (the acrostic and the Verse 70 note) – but that sort of misses any connection to SM (unless we get all bizarre and say that SM was Boxall and the subsequent Boxall was an imposter – but there’s more holes in that idea than a good Swiss Cheese). I still think it’s worth considering the idea that the Rubaiyat and SM’s TS slip aren’t actually related. It doesn’t take much to come up with a scenario where J gets fed up with the Acrostic she can’t solve and discards the Rubaiyat (perhaps in the car, but it doesn’t have to be). Someone else (“Francis”) comes across it (not necessarily in Nov/Dec) and decides to claim he’s found the one that the fuzz are looking for, so he rips out a chunk from the back and hands it in – and the snowball rolls from there….
    2 things that strike me about the Rubaiyat link, are firstly the vague “proof” that the analysts used to show they’re the same (the paper is the same colour and texture) and the fact that every article at the time describes the TS fragment as ‘trimmed’.
    A government analyst had a book and a page they were asked to prove was from the book. They were looking to include the evidence, not exclude it. The result was always going to be that it was a match. Anything that pointed otherwise would be ignored.
    But let’s think about the “trimmed” paper. SM (or someone) must have ripped the page from the book, and then trimmed up the TS. So we had time (and resources) to trim the paper, but were in a hurry to dispose of the book it came from out on the street? So why would we trim the fragment anyway? If it was a way of identifying people, wouldn’t we want the tears to match the page? I can hear people suggesting – perhaps that’s why he was killed. Perhaps it was because the fragment didn’t match. But in that case how did it end up rolled up neatly back in his pocket? Wouldn’t you be keane (see what I did there) to ensure any trace of illicit activity was gone? It’s more likely (nb: MORE likely doesn’t imply LIKELY) that the fragment was neatened up and planted on the bod to support the notion of suicide (or to send someone a message) – but in that case (certainly in the spy scenario, and probably in any scenario) you’d be pretty careful to make sure that the book it cam from was mundane. And you would definitely struggle to guarantee it was handed in by chucking it in some car if you were hoping some message would get out and link to that book.

  430. john sanders on July 25, 2017 at 12:21 am said:

    Jess’ brother- in-law Norm Carr served in the Merchant Navy from 39′ to finis and at that time he was Third Mate aboard MV Mundalla. She and another vessel, Boonara of the same line, were in particular involved with the Borneo Campaign in mid 1945, then went on to do service with the occupational forces (BCOF) post war. Carr’s service is interesting to me because he actually connects with three of our main players in certain respects. married to Jean Harkness, served in the same theatres as Jim Beaumont as well as Thomas Leonard Keane in Japan. And then of course we have him doing service pre war with Keith Mangnoson’s wartime unit which may not seem to mean much in itself, apart from the disclosure that both lads lived in the fly spot village of Larggs Nth before the war. Of some additional interest is that on inlistment in the militia he was born at Morgan S.A. in 1918, whereas on signing up for sea, he suddenly decides that he’s a limey, from Sandown UK and born there in 1920. We don’t come across him again until he applies for campaign medals and ribbons in 1992 which I find a little strange because I’m rather doubtful as to any entitlement. Does he fit into our investigation; well I think so, especially the Jessica/Kean connection and that his sea duties may have been a conduit for interaction between him and Edmund Harkness, not to mention the possibility that he may also have been a convenient conduit for SM’s appearance in Adelaide. This would include the suitcase apparently belonging to a BCOF chap named Keane, who may have had passage on his ship, either to or from Japan. While on this subject we must not pass by young Jim Beaumont GAB (Grant Alfred) who as we know, is also related to Jess through Clarice’ marriage to brother Lawson. Also never let us forget that seemingly innocuous little tube of Lion brand fluride toothpaste which was quite likely purchased by one of these three lads in Japan, bearing in mind it would certainly not have been avaikable anywhere else in 1948.

  431. Eammon on July 25, 2017 at 2:21 pm said:

    So many off-topic speculative cards. So few paragraphs. I throw in my Sister J. Cosplay wearing navy suit and a grey hat, picture card.

  432. milongal on July 25, 2017 at 9:33 pm said:

    Speculation is where ideas come from that might subsequently turn out provable (or not) 🙂

    At the risk of sounding stupid, I think either Mangnoson wasn’t involved at all or was deeply involved (ie not just a relatively innocent bystander). I don’t really believe that Roma would have been threatened over an attempted id (the threat was vague ‘stay away from the police or else’). Either the threats related to something else, or Keith was in this stuff a lot deeper than “I knew the guy years ago in the riverland”.

  433. john sanders on July 26, 2017 at 4:17 am said:

    I did come across a stage play, or more to the point an Australian musical version of a popular British stage presentation of the mid ’20s. The general theme had to do with a fellow that stages his own death for the purpose of obtaining his share of an inheiritance. The lyrics writer was a chap named Vaiben Solomon who was born near Adelade and spent the best part of his chilhood and formative years living with his half brother in Genelg. He served as an ensign? with the British Auxilliary Navy (Thames River patrol) in ww2, then on some important unspecified Australian Government service related to modern mechanical accounting (commuters no less) During the 30s and 40s he also wrote books on the subject and travelled through Canada and the USA. He eventually returned home in 1948 where his trail ended. Apparently he died in Melbourne in 1982 aged 81. Apart from one remote possible connection with Prosper Thomson, I found no other leads that placed him as a suspect for SM or as a likely subject of interest in any other related capacity. Perhaps you might chase something down that I didn’t. PS: Co- incidently Vaiben’s son-in-law, a naval doctor was involved with the so-called Voyager Disaster in 1964 (Voynicher Disaster came much later), and later went on to become perhaps one of the world’s leading authorities on exotic animal protene poisons. How about that.

  434. EAMON: Name of the show was ‘tons of money’ ifn you’re up to it and I don’t think you’ll have too much trouble finding the songs to test your theory, the only other that our lyricist wrote was the chart topper of 1922? titled ‘bang bang bangalor’ and that’s all folks.

  435. Milongal: You just hit a nerve albeit unintentionally. When I said that Alf died in Canberra I was of that assumption because his death was listed as being ACT. You mentioned that oldies from Sydney might well decide on retiring to the South Coast, then bang it hit me like a bolt out of the proverbial; who is aware that there is a place down that way, which because of its presence as a Naval base, actually comes under administration the ACT? Not too many I suspect. Well I seem to recall that that’s where bloody Quentin and Gaston Harkness both ended up; Jarvis Bay ACT. Cripes are you now thinking what I’m thinkng; maybe time to get out of Dodge. Take it easy son what can they do send us to Vietnam. Don’t know about you pal but I can survive that.

  436. No not Harkness, Quentin and Gaston were Prosper Thomson’s younger brothers, one RAAF and the other RAN and of course Alf was AIF (army). The civilian population of Jarvis Bay is about 300 and it appears that it had once been earmarked as a nuclear reactor site (you listening bids). The base HMAS Cresswell was once HQ of the Fleet Air Arm or HMAS Melbourne which sunk HMAS Voyager in 1964 and strangely my semi-related post of even date referred to that very incdent indirectly.

  437. Yes it appears that the younger Thomson brothers were living in that tiny spot on the map called Jarvis Bay ACT when they passed on around 2007, probably in a Defence Service heritage listed cottage within the HMAS Creswell base as part of a large family grouping. There would have probably been only a few such properties available and all allocated to war veterans which means that had Alf died in Jarvis Bay which I confidently predict that he did, and had he occupied one of the other cottages closeby, then that almost certainly links him with the Jessica Harkness and Prosper Thomson clanship, probably before SM’s untimely demise in ’48. In a way it stands to reason as the three inner Sydney nresses where the three families lived at the outbreak of ww2 were very close and their pre war occupations were much the same. Prosper and Gaston may also have shared a non law abiding bent which we need to look at much more closely. Unfortunately I don’t have the means to look too much deeper so others wil have to underake the necessary follow-up inquiries.

  438. milongal on July 26, 2017 at 10:33 pm said:

    /pedantic: Although Jervis Bay is/was “Canberra’s Beach” it is (AFAIK) a territory in it’s own right

  439. milongal on July 26, 2017 at 10:38 pm said:

    NB: Didn’t realise Jervis Bay had a civillian population. I thought it didn’t really have a static population at all. But Wiki says it has 377 people as at 2011.
    NB2: Not to be confused with Cape Jervis in SA (which we talked about when there was discussion about KI and ships).

    It also says:
    The Jervis Bay Territory(abbreviated as JBT) is a territory of the Commonwealth of Australia. It was surrendered by the state of New South Wales to the Commonwealth Government in 1915 so the federal capital at Canberra would have access to the sea.
    It was administered by the Department of the Interior (and later by the Department of the Capital Territory) as if it were part of the Australian Capital Territory (ACT), although it has always been a separate Commonwealth territory. The perception that it is part of the ACT stems from the fact that under the terms of the Jervis Bay Territory Acceptance Act, the laws of the ACT apply to the Jervis Bay Territory. In 1989, when the ACT achieved self-government, the Department of The Arts, Sport, The Environment, Tourism and Territories took over responsibility for the JBT’s administration, and it has since been administered by various Commonwealth Departments responsible to the Minister for Territories.
    ……..

  440. milongal on July 26, 2017 at 10:52 pm said:

    Looks like Dulcie’s death notice suggests Alf was living in Pagewood NSW (near Coogee) in 1991, and his death notice has ‘Hawker ACT’ (Hawker is a suburb in (West) Belconnen (ie Canberra’s North)).

    Because we love clutching at coincidence of no relevance, Pagewood is bordered in part by ‘Southern Cross Drive’. Hawker is exactly 1 suburb South of (a different) ‘Southern Cross Drive’…

  441. Milongal: looks like he wormed his way out of that one and of course pagewood is his old stamping ground…unless he had’nt officially changed his ellectoral roll details, moved down the coast then used the convience of Canberra for his service related disability treatment…I’ll just check to see what they have over at Hawker, probably a govt. detention centre. Who the heck is Dulcie and what happened to Susie. Q….

  442. Covering a bit of old ground, and trust that none of our esteemed followers (the frozen few), are tucking into a late night treat of pate de foie gras. I don’t recall having heard of any anal probe for body temerature in Dr. Bennett’s affidavit, only his estimate of TOD, which of course has promoted no queries from the dpanel of inquisitioners. Likewise nothing regarding anal or penal evacuation (another thin captain) appear in the records. I recall once hearing how the night shift fellows down Redfern (inner Sydney) way could overide TOD estimates in cases of non suspicious exposure deaths, by simple application of artificial cold or heat so as to delay or enhance the onset of rigor mortis. I am of course suggesting the real possibility that this may have given a false estimate in the case of SM, and if there was no obvious signs of feces (another dip), then I think I would surmise that some one was trying to take the shit out of me.

  443. Eammon on July 27, 2017 at 2:33 pm said:

    GM Feltus notes, “The saki – the cup-bearer – of Persian poetry can be of either sex, and the fact that Persian does not distinguish the gender of pronouns leaves the ambiguity unresolved.”

  444. John Sanders: I’m sorry, this site has a zero anal probe rule. Except for medieval medicine discussion and X-Files jokes.

  445. milongal on July 27, 2017 at 10:08 pm said:

    @JS: Dulcie was his wife. Only mentioned because when she died (1991) the obit said “Pagewood”, yet when AB died (1995) it said Hawker* (the street he was in looks like a mundane, Canberran St) so he’d moved there only for the last 4 years of his life….which to me suggests moving closer to family (he had several kids and adult grandkids) rather than spooks.

    Regarding ToD, I think there are biog questions (and I think ‘most everyone agrees). I think it has to have been (a lot) earlier than 2AM. And here’s why:
    1) The pasty. How long does it take to digest a pasty? Where do you get pasty’s from in the middle of the night (the pie cart out the front of the railway station (or was that on the Parade back then?).
    2) Assuming it was he at 7PM the night before (on the one hand it’s hard to believe it wasn’t, on the other the evidence seems very circumstantial and has me leaning the opposite way – mainly because no witnesses could conclusively agree it was him they saw), he was already in a bad way then, and my understanding is that most of the proposed possible poisons are relatively fast acting – so fighting on for another 7 hours seems a fair effort.
    3) I’m sure there were other reasons that escape me now (although there was a ‘witness’ ho appeared 10 years later and talked about the man carrying a body).

    Of course, if we contest #2 above (which for the most part I do) we only have the pasty to go by….yet I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that even with a big meal it should be fully digested in about 5 hours. Granted ill health and poisons might slow that process to some degree (I guess, I’m neither a doctor nor a biologist/chemist) but it would seem the absolute earliest the pasty could be eaten would be 10PM or so….
    Someone (might have been you even) suggested that something like a minestrone soup with bread might appear to be a pasty in the stomach – which makes for a bigger meal and therefore takes a little longer to digest – but I’m not gonna allow much flexibility with that 10PM.

    As always, though, I’d like to cite Hanlon’s Razor (or some derivative of) that where malice and incompetence equally easily explain a situation, always assume incompetence. I don’t entirely mean that everyone involved was incompetent, but at the beginning it was just a normal John Doe, and while there was a process to be followed things like ToD are simply arbitrary details for some government book keeping so nobody really questioned (or cared) whether it was correct (the typical government “I don’t give a *bleep* I just need some value in that field” – except on paper). To be absolutely fair to all parties involved, they never really seemed to consider this was anything other than an unidentified body that will eventually be claimed – and by the time people got excited about TS and the code it was probably too late to reassess those initial details even had someone wanted to.

    *And now for a totally irrelevant digeression….
    For those not familiar with Canberra, it is Australia’s youngest city (I think dating back to about 1912), and was very deliberately designed (supposedly by Walter Burley Griffin, but I have him arriving in Australia after Canberra was already sprouting, so not sure how much was actually his planning, and how much he just got credit for because he was in the right place at the right time (heresy, I know)). Canberra by design was built in triangles and circles (have a look at a map of Canberra – the obvious city circles (vernon circle, then London Circuit, then BArry Drive, Cooyong, Cooranderk) – and the mirror of that across the lake at the Parliamentary Circle (although perhaps the circle only appeared with ‘new’ parliament house (which is now 30 years old, I think, but you can certainly see other smaller circles all around (and the PArliamentary Circle is in fact an apex of the Parliamentary Triangle linking circles at Parliament House to the City and to Defence (via Kings Ave, Commonwealth Ave and Parkes Way)). This is a fairly stark contrast to the very gridlike cities of Melbourne and Adelaide.
    Canberra sort had a very localised attitude. Each suburb has (or had) it’s own small (generally grocery) shops, with larger ‘town centres’ becoming trendy in the 50s/60s and Belconnen and Woden becoming the major focuses North and South of Lake Burley Griffin (and later Tuggeranong even deeper South than Woden – but I suspect this was a lot later). These days loosely group themselves by region with a fierce (albeit fake, I think) rivalry between North and South (with small country NSW towns (Queanbeyan, Jerrabomberra, Murrumbateman and even Yass) trying to join the fray (much like SA thinks it’s somehow in the Vic vs NSW rivalry), and broadly people talk about living in “Tuggeeranong”, “Woden”, “Weston Creek”, “Inner South”, “Inner North”, “Belconnen”, “Gunghalin” (but even within those zones people have their own little ‘sub-clans – and are even quite territorial and proud of their suburbs (unless you live in Charnwood (jokes)).
    From a government perspective, Canberra is one big pissing contest, and you can tell the importance of an agency by its proximity to the Parliamentary Triangle (Defence is part of the triangle, and you’ll find ASD and ASIO have official headquarters near the Defence establishment too, while AFP and the agency formerly known as Customs are closer to the city. Human Services is way down South in Tuggeranong…..).
    Hawker (where Alf lived the last years of his life) is in West Belconnen (I’ve never actually heard of a North, East or South Belconnen, but everyone West of the Barton Hwy and North of Belconnen (shopping Centre) seems to refer to the area as West Belconnen (in fact even South of Belconnen at Aranda/Macquarie I’ve heard people refer to West Belconnen – and I assumed this was because the Southern Cross Club at the Jamison Centre was formerly West’s Rugby Club). Put simply, it’s just a suburb in Canberra – it’s not particularly close to any significant Defence or Government establishments – but Canberra’s design sort of puts almost every suburb in that category.

  446. john sanders on July 27, 2017 at 10:22 pm said:

    NP: Well lets justs just amend that shall we. Are you or is anyone out there aware of any internal body temperature readings that may have been taken at the time of SMs discovery or shortly thereafter. I am personally aware of cases where deceased persons have been artificially subjected to heat/cold to defeat or enhance the onset of rigor mortis…I guess dog shit and discussions on menstrual matters are still fine, or does that stuff come under medieval medicine, presuming of course that Floret’s work scrapes into the pre modern historical era you refer to.

  447. john sanders on July 27, 2017 at 10:36 pm said:

    NP: I must also include the all important subject of possible notable post mortem soiling either by Nos. 1 and/or 2 ing. Had this not occurred, this could theoretically add weight to the assumption that SM was most probably sanitised pre delivery to Somerton Beach.

  448. milongal on July 28, 2017 at 12:37 am said:

    And I was wrong, WBG (or perhaps his wife) did actually design Canberra…..

  449. Misca on July 28, 2017 at 3:38 am said:

    Judaism is passed through maternal lines. Jessica’s Great Grandmother was Jewish. Hence, not surprising that she embraced her faith through maternal lineage. 2 cents. Been away a long while but wanted to share for those who are still following.

  450. john sanders on July 28, 2017 at 5:24 am said:

    Misca: can’t recall seeing the maternal connection for Jessica before, though presume it went back through Ellen Lee’s people. Point me in the direction and I’ll struggle over to get the good oil. cheers js.

  451. John sanders on July 28, 2017 at 10:32 am said:

    Not only did Wally and maid Marion lay out the plans for Canberra, they were also responsible for the design in 1916 of Griffith in the newly established MIA region of New South Wales. Now better known for its marijhuana cultivation and Mafioso crime families, than its great wine along with stone fruit etc., it was named, not as is often mistakenly claimed, after the American designers, but rather typically after Arthur Griffith, Minister of Works. If you don‘t think this has much to do with our subject for discussion, than you‘d be wise to think more carefully and get with the program.

  452. John sanders on July 28, 2017 at 11:37 pm said:

    Milongal: That last aside was a general advisory note and certainly not directed or aimed at anyone in particular. Griffith became a hub for itinerant axis internee immigrants, released from regional camps like Hay and Cowra after ww2. An earlier influx had occurred after ww1 when land was allocated for soldier settlement farms which by and large proved to be a dud and these allotments were subsequently taken over by immigrants more suited to farming during the depression era. By 1948 it was a virtual melting pot of mixed races and a breeding ground for anti sociocial activity such as might more generally be expected to occur in the larger multi cultural suburbs of larger cities which Griffith certainly was not. Of course in due course the Calabrian mafia came to town and created their own more organized form of crime which then spread its tentacles to Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and eventually the Capital. Activities like vehicle theft and rebirthing, insurance fraud, extortion, gang murder and take over of other criminal enterprises would be typical and of course much later in the seventies Griffith became better known as Australia‘s drug capital.

  453. John sanders on July 29, 2017 at 12:13 am said:

    Unlike some of our site celebrities like Keith, Jim and two of the Thomson brothers, Alf never had cause to fire a shot in anger during his much exaggerated war service. His initial posting was mainly carried out with an army surveillance unit in the far north of Australia on watch for enemy insertion which fortunately did not eventuate. His subsequent service in the New Guinea/Bouganville region took place after hostilities had ceased, with his work mostly to do with the gathering up of surplus vehicles/equipment and shipping of same back to mainland Australia. It has also been suggested that he was some form of covert intelligence operative and that is simply hogwash, unless of course it was for a non specified foreign power like Israel, or one of the Soviet nations. His elevation to the rank of Lieutenant would have had as its basis, the authority necessary to undertake his acquisition regarding disputed ownership of property and not, as has been suggested, a sign of any particular promotion qualifications. His long and much valued service to his adopted country is to be commended, though I think Alf Boxall would be first to admit that he was no hero, so please don’t try to make him one.

  454. John sanders on July 29, 2017 at 4:27 am said:

    Alfred Boxall, you are not obliged to say anything unless you wish to do so. Anything you say will be taken down in writing and may be used in evidence. Do you understand?… I think yon smoking gun has just brought down the whole flock of 7 emus and most of the evidence is at our grasp…Hang fire and I’ll put it all together, but it’ll take a little time.

  455. john sanders on July 29, 2017 at 8:16 am said:

    Alf Boxall has unrefutable connections with a couple of old bikey mates from his army days, one a master mariner (ship captain working for Nat. Chinese), the other an alleged Jap/German sympathiser and consorter. One with a CIS/ASIO file (declassified from secret) and includes alleged passing of info. re uranium deposits to known communists in ’52 amongst other similar naughty passtimes. Signatory to the Paki’s book and a known crank with a violent past, oh and yes a credited organiser of the militant AWU. All served with the Nacaroos together and one later saw service like Alf, with Water Transport (engs) as Ships Mate/Capt. The latter is interesting to the extent that he was a patient at 115 Heidelberg in ’42; he was also a chronic sufferer from malaria and was known to have had an operation to his left eye (ptergium) in Egypt ’42. I have him sort of dead in Brisbane about ’72 so don’t get overly exited. This may not prove to be as big as ‘ poor felow my country’ but it has my hackles raised to a higher level than usual. Does anyone know who I’m talking about; you all bloodywell should. PS: brothers- in- arms is the key word.

  456. john sanders on July 30, 2017 at 6:29 am said:

    Lt. Alf Boxall’s war time pals, the brother’s Grim (sic), Dave & Alf Herbert of Curtin’s Cowboy’s fame and later 12 Water Transport Group must all have been good men with horses because of the very nature of their wartime meanderings in the rough trackless terrain of the ‘deep north’. We know plenty about big brother Alf or Xavier as he was more famously known, but as for young Dave the master mariner, not so much. The last we hear of him is by way of a postal address c/o the legendary Vestey’s cattle station conglomerate at Rum Jungle (uranium) NT. in early 1948. Some search records have him deceased at Bridgeman Downs Qld. on 19/7/76 though more work needs to be done for confirmation. The boys were all knocking around the Sydney waterfront from ’44 and as instructors with families would surely have been living at home with wives Susie Sadie and Phyllis. After their war in the rear, we’re not sure whether they maintained regular contact but we know that Alf Herbert went back to Darwin for awhile then settled in Cairns whereas his brother may have stayed in the territory and worked for Vestey’s mob, perhaps even on one of company’s live cattle shipment runs to Asia (Philippines). Of course we know that Alf Boxall stayed in the service and went off to PNG for a couple more years and got involved in the war surplus pickings. He would have been in Rabaul for the War Trials which deserves some consideration and the rest of his civilian working life at the Randwick bus workshops. It may also be of some interest if we could put it into context but it seems during their days in the coast watching business, according to Alf, they regularly took patrols into the Timor Sea which at the time could well have allowed them to make contact with the Nippon enemy had they the means, either directly through a liason or by radio. Alf Herbert had lived with Japanese pearlers pre war and spoke working class pidgin (pinyin) at the very least. He openly stated that he prefered being in their company than with the white administrators who he worked for as a dispensay pharmacologist and aboriginal welfare officer. There were informants in ’49 who claimed SM was a mate of theirs from Darwin but very little further information though it’s certainly a plausable suggestion that he could have been a Territorian who had ample opportunity to slip through to Adelaide without coming under notice, especially had he been a station worker in a remote region. He may have even shown up in the company of a mate, someone from Rum Jungle perhaps, someone who got out by the skin of his teeth and subsequently went back alone to the uranium mine.

  457. john sanders on July 31, 2017 at 4:09 am said:

    David Francis Herbert almost certainly returned to his old seafaring life after ww2 , this supposition being attested to by his giving a contact address of c/o Vasseys at a po box in Darwin early in 1948, post dating others in Sydney then in Cairns (brother Xavier was also living in Cairns there at around that time and I’d nit be surprised to find Susie Boxall there as well). Vassey’s was a huge cattle empire and had its own extensive shipping operations world wide including Blue Star Line and many other subsideries including some with Adelaide offices. Reasearches will be familiar with how innacurate service records can be; In this case I’m looking at something that is quite the opposite and it raises some serious questions concerning his reported death in 1976. In early 1970 the Repatriation Department wrote to CARO to get war service confirmation regarding a claim that had been lodged for some time of benefit in David’s name. To my thinking, it is most likely that this might wel have been lodged by his wife Phyllis who was endeavouring to prove her elligibilty for a service widows pension (she had just turned 60 which was the age criteria at that time). It is unlikely that David was the actual claimant because he would most certainly have had in his possession al the documentary roof of his service. The applicant Mrs. Herbert was most likely not able to provide the necessary proofs herself and reasons for this could only be that she was not living with him at the time of his apparent demise nor did she have access to his papers. We can further assume that she really also only suspected Dave was deceased which further points to the probability that he was long gone from her life by then. So why does she lodge claim for widows pension if hubby is still living, and close by at that. After all, we have a Billion $ Grave search giving Yaronga cemetery and the date 19/7/76 (7years after the claim date). something seems to be wrong and my suspicion is that there is an assumption of death only and that the alleged interment could infact merely relate to an RSL inspired service plaque. Its a pity that we don’t have photo on his film which would enable comparison with those of SM which is disappointing, there is not even a vague description of him which is a little strange to say the least; to offset this discrepency ,we do have many of his big brother Xavier and one of his dear old mum Frances with which we might make some comparisons for family similaritues of feature. Xavier certainly does come up well in most categories including height, hair, eye colouring, interesting ears and the sloping forehead, he was always a physical excercise fanatic and of strapping appearance. The reason for Susie Boxall being in Cairns is because of her husband Alf’s two year posting to PNG and it being the closest mainland city for military personell R&R etc. with adequate air services to and fro.

  458. john sanders on July 31, 2017 at 7:00 am said:

    Amy Victoria Scammell was the maiden name of old mọther Herbert and it is said that she was deemed to have been rather, shall we say, lax in private. Two of her children died in infancy, possible of congenital syphilis and we know from his own admissions that Xavier also had the disease, though he being an old style accredited apothecarist refered to it as yaws and so he probably had remedial conconctions to keep it latent. It is interesting to note that neither of the boys became a father in later life and so perhaps they both had cause to practice safe sex. Sadie Norden was a Jewess who met Xavier on a ship bound for England in the mid thirties but they didn’t marry until much later in life and the great man was also known to be somewhat lax in his own private life. He was considered to be a difficult man to deal with, being both selfcentered and cantancerous with a big tendency to get physical without to much antagonising. I can amagine him having to take orders from his younger brother Dave, his commanding officer in the army and being most indignant because of his lower rank. The brothers were also way apart in their stated religious preference, one being C of E and the other RC, though surely that’s not sufficient cause to have one’s own brother bumped off…Ask Cain what the beef was between he and Abel ; you might be surprahsed. I really do feel that WE need to go further down the track a little more with this one, in view of the anomaly in Dave’s file and that niggling thing about that scarlike crease between the upper nose/eyebrow region and of his chronic malarial affliction which is well documented…. Dave seems to have been in 115 Hiedleberg same time as Prosper I think and what’s strange is that he never had a posting in Victoria though on second thoughts it could be explained away, had he landed in Melbourne port on return from Bombay mid ’42.

  459. Rei Jemuzu on July 31, 2017 at 4:17 pm said:

    When I entered the random letters from the paper into a Vignere Cipher, two possible outcomes out of twelve possible outcomes had words between letters that stood out to me:

    MAIL TIMES PM
    BOAT TIMES AM

    Does anyone here think there is meaning behind the unciphered words? Consider that he was found close to the beach (boat) and maybe that was the time of death (am)? Or something to do with the mail or the post (mail) and a time stamp (pm)?

  460. john sanders on August 1, 2017 at 12:50 am said:

    Rei Jemizu: For what its worth, and we may as well use Adelaide as a good example. If I were a fresh fruit merchant and I had a customer Luigi Danetta in Kangaroo Island and needing to be supplied with 100cwt of apples on the morning tide morrow; I would first have to be cognizant as to corellation between to-days pm. closing mailtime and the mail packet sailing time on the following am. After arranging such detail I could possibly then cable to advise Luigi that his nicely ripening ‘pink ladies’ are on board and ready to. On the other hand it could also refer just as easily, and in much the same way I guess for example to the sanction contractor Kaldor who is communicating the following message to his client Danetta. ” Nicely ripening SM on board KI mail packet am. Delivery Somerton Beach busted stairway pm. Trust that my fairly straight forward assessment of your translation is enlightning; And by the way, thanks for the opportunity to remind folks of the prefered beach landing delivery as opposed to the dated Melbourne/Adelaide mailtrain theory.

  461. All seems to be unusually quiet out there in SM land and I’m wondering if any of you three have been able to check out the NCOU or 12 water transport gallery pics. for Captain Dave Herbert, O.C. of Alpha Coy. (NCOU) as yet. Unfortunately my equipment is somewhat antiquated and rather agricultural in its ability for effective search by modern standards. Also its a little on the small side (a deal less than 2 by 3 inch inch screen), and so effective magnification of the Curtin’s Cowgirls or smallships’ lads tend to be rather frustrating to say the least. It’s not that we third world isolationists are prone to crying poormouth, but we could certainly do with a little help from our friends occasionally, especially with regard to effective research accessability and the like.

  462. john sanders on August 2, 2017 at 4:25 am said:

    NCOU was basically set up as a highly mobile cavalry commando very similar to similar units employed by the Boers against the British forty years prior to its formation. Although they would have been reasonably well set up equipment wise for their assigned duties, individual troopers, being basically just drovers at heart, would have carried with them quite a few make shift items of their own personal preference (jack gear in military terminology). Items mainly made up from bits and pieces of broken down tools and the like, so as to improvise manufacture of factory made items that were unavailable to them. Things that could be utilised for jobs that they may not have originally been intended for. Amongst the contents of his alleged suitcase we find things such as the cut down sheffield? table knife which would have covered a good general purpose role and in my view an absolute must for any respectable saddle bum. Of course we never ever got to see the broken scissors (one arm), but i have seen similar set up; being carried by old drovers for the main purpose of doing on the spot hoof repairs and stone removal, also mighty handy as a means of self defence or preparing bush tucker. While we’re in the that area lets have a good hard look at the little hoof brush with its adhered dried black powdery residue which apart from blackening horse hooves and applying various medicina concoctions thereto, could also most certainly be a fine piece for stencil work on the farm or at sea. Ok you’ve all heard this okd stuff before and from me in particular, which of course doesn’t sound all that dar off the money, but what do they do for us at the end of the day. Now what if I told you that I could bring them altogther with one single additional item, one that has so far remained a total mystery and though regularly commented upon over the years , it has defied many brave though futile attempts to give it a name. I’m now absolutely (postively, unrefutably, one hundred percent) cerain that I know exactly what the so called ‘loupe’ was made from and what its original function was. But apart from its then having been converted to some simple utilitarian device, the purpose of which I know not, I absolutely adore it for its affrontery; I”ll come up with a gem rest assured. Looking over the standard NCOU photos on line there is a group shot of smartly dressed officers of the unit and whilst I’m not able to identify my Captain Herbert, I couldn’t help but note that most are sporting the ecru coloured Keane tie as opposed to the usual darker khaki general ussue form. Many of the other items of clothing and sundries are well known as being of Sydney manufacture eg shirts, trousers, shaving gear etc. so I guess that does stand out as a likely pointer to the owner having links to the that fine city on the harbour.

  463. john sanders on August 2, 2017 at 8:04 am said:

    So tell us Pete, who did Makarov give the note to if it wasn’t SM? Surely it could not have been pucker Ron Francis or dead honest Tibor Kaldor, the Meyers traveller. I guess there may have been other bad guys who were inclined to wear their tootal ties heart to sword and not arse about like our unknown man.

  464. john sanders on August 3, 2017 at 4:14 am said:

    Now we can move right along to that fine old piece of technologically advanced equipment, the legendary Green’s patent pipe and cigar lighter, commonly designated ‘Allume benzine windproof multi-purpose pocket’ in military jargon. There were two specific occupations during the 30s/40s era that would have found such a handy device quite indespensable, those being the Cavalry horseman, riding out in a bad blow or a deck officer attending to his assigned ship-board duties in a gale. In fact neither would intentionally be caught dead without his reliable liitle Green pocket lighter. Perhaps our man SM did follow one, or perhaps even both of these trades, but for some reason he was caught dead without his. Perhaps he was not able to purchase the maker’s particular brand of flint or fluid in Adelaide where only non compatible Zippo types were available. Had he been in possession of his, he was most likely to have carried it safely in that well worn fob pocket of his Stamina/Crusader trousers. Alas we will never know, but it does bring to mind a personal, though possibly unrelated memory, if you’ll allow me to stray. It’s my far off recallections of an old ‘real’ native born, ‘north ender’ stockman cum black-tracker and later commando of the Pacific theatre; who after hostilities of ww2, became an instructor in that manly sport called bayonet fighting. We being his new batch of disposable cannon fodder, more fittingly termed replacements were understandably quite mortified, so this old spear toting warrior would face us shaking his quivering twelve foot roo killer and bellow out..”Only two kinda pfellers in dis man’s plurry army; Der quick an der plurry dead..What pfellers you’s gonna be? you’s vile li’le bagsa possum poo!…ahhhhh!” then come charging. No guessing the state of our composure, not to mention our new army issue cotton khaki under garments.

  465. milongal on August 3, 2017 at 9:41 am said:

    I’ve started crudely dropping pins on a map to mark locations that may (or may not) be of interest regarding SM. Feel free to add other suggestions on what should be marked:
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IbTb5mF5o5d5umVCJcW5TbgFpn0&usp=sharing

    It was originally intended to show some of the distances in the immediate Glenelg area (which are often understated, I think), but evolved to a bigger picture of some of the stories that perhaps show the (geographical) magnitude of Adelaide (and Australia). My biggest point is the distance SM must have covered by foot if the conventional stories about Railway stations, St Leonard’s buses and Jess’ house are to be subscribed to….

  466. milongal on August 3, 2017 at 9:42 am said:

    Oh, haven’t dropped any Sydney locations – mainly because I don’t know Sydney well enough to look them up easily. But over time they may come….

  467. Milongal: Thanks for the kind invitationion. In my view a bloke the likes of our SM would most certainly have needed the odd wet and a pasty before his untimely departure so these are my picks, puting a 1948 perspective on my own choices of watering holes. First cab off the rank would be the old Duke of York, the bushies pub, closely followed by the Strathmore, Gresham, Adelaide, Rundle and Govenor Hindmarsh. If the Arkaba and Crossroads were going in those days and had he been after a last piece of tail, they would certainly have been a temtation. But my pick of the lot would of course have been the Pier at Glenelg with its close proximity to Somerton and the end of the world for a pasty and a last quiet pint (15oz S.A.), followed by a short stroll along the Seawall road to oblivion. Such a pleasant final hour that woud have been for such a man of his stature and standing within that fabled secretive and much lauded organization, The NKGB (sick).

  468. milongal on August 3, 2017 at 9:44 pm said:

    The enlarged spleen instinctively has me thinking a boozey day, but then you’d assume booze was surely something they were used to detecting (and prolonged booze would have affected other organs) – and there was no mention of it.
    I’ve occasionally thought it would be an interesting coincidence if the ‘drunk on the beach’ was exactly that.

  469. milongal on August 3, 2017 at 10:00 pm said:

    Found a QLD paper that appears to have a slightly different side profile (it might be the printing process, or that they edited to make it look like it wasn’t a slab photo turned 90degrees, but this photo looks different to others I’ve seen – especially an apparent mole on the side of the forehead (or is that a printing flaw))
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203224135

  470. Milongal: that has to be a fake copy of the Truth, there was no conspiracy in the article. 🙂

    But seriously, that might be a really good thing, because I made a request for missing copies and editions of the Truth to be digitized a while back, on the basis that it always seemed to draw its stories from a different well to other papers. 🙂

  471. john sanders on August 4, 2017 at 9:24 am said:

    The enlarged spleen instintively has me thinking a woozey day, brought upon by the dibilitating effects of a recurrent malarial infestation in which that hardy old organ keeps battling away gamely,as is its want, and doing its best get on top of the problem. Many an ex serviceman undertaking wartime duties in regions prone to the bug, were likely to succumb to its effects over and over again, long after repatriation from such zones. I’m sure Byron has covered similar ground in the past, but a reminder is perhaps rather timely considering that we may be heading along a new jungle path so to speak…Well I seem to be wandering off in that particular direction, albeit alone most likely but I’m well used to that, not being a team player in the true sense.

  472. milongal on August 4, 2017 at 10:43 am said:

    NP: If you look at the whole page and pick random letters you can actually come up with some Russian-sounding names…. 😛

  473. milongal on August 4, 2017 at 10:44 am said:

    @JS: We’re all wandering (or was that wondering) alone, and none of us like any theories that sound any nicer than ours…

  474. milongal on August 4, 2017 at 10:55 am said:

    NP: Rereading your comment (and remembering I grew up in Adelaide where “The Advertiser” (which doesn’t even claim to be news) and “The News” were the local rags) it’s certainly an interesting take that “the Truth” (of which I know nothing other than it was on trove) might source its stories differently. I struggle with the idea of the police (officially) releasing different photos to different papers, but I guess sometimes there are plenty of channels (some more legit than others).

    It’s particularly interesting that others have publicly highlighted that some of the photos have inconsistencies suggesting editing and we now have one that seems to be different to others – perhaps endorsing that view, but perhaps clouding the reasons why (if one news source has a less modified pic it sort of suggests any modifications aren’t part of a cover up, but rather ‘sanitising’ it for public consumption – or something).

  475. john sanders on August 4, 2017 at 11:06 pm said:

    Phyllis Patricia Herbert (aged 80) interred/cremated Ballina NSW. The simple plaque in East Ballina cemetery appears to be a VA pensioner special, with the inscription giving only her full name, dates of B & D along with ‘sadly missed’, though by whom, we are left to wonder. What to make of this I’ m not sure, however since her hubby David was unceremoniously put away in ’76? at Brisbane, she has finally taken her own leave two hundred kilometers south near the place of her childhood. I can’ t help thinking that it was a bit of a come down for both of her from the heady days when she was married to a Blue Star Line ship Captain and de mobbed,former dashing cavalry commando officer (with malaria). The most interesting thing I picked up on was that who ever tucked her in, apparently was nit aware that she gad once been ‘The loving wife of David Francis’. At least in her younger days she had gotten to be a guest at gala functions; having mixed with the rich & famous such as the little cockney wordsmith, H.G. Wells and like celebs. of a bygone age.

  476. john sanders on August 5, 2017 at 6:08 am said:

    By the close of 1948 the presence of high yield, fissionable grade uranium oxide at a place known locally as Rum Jungle was hardly a secret, this being contrary to what the Australian government would have had people believe. After all hadn’t they paid out a handsome finder’s fee of fifty thousand pounds to old Jack White for his discovery of the stuff in 1949, much to the displeasure of the local tribal elders. Others from nearby Darwin who claimed to know of its existance years before were also known to have been a little disappointed by the guesture. The Vestey cattle and shipping empire, owned the land upon which the deposits laid and amongst its employees were to be found the brothers Dave and Alf, both of whom had worked at various well qualified legitimate trades in the far north for years on and off. During the more recent war years both had served as coast watchers with a unit of cavalry commandos, patroling all over that vast expance of uninhabitable area that had now become so desireable. They were known to be experts on infiltration/exfiltrartion routes from Batchellor (Rum Jungle) to the Timor Sea and beyond. Both were widely travelled internationally as well as being familiar with the local tribal customs and they spoke several languages including Chinese pinyin and Japanese. Following Americas succesfull deployment of its newfangled Atom Bomb in 1945, many of the world’s other would-be powers couldn’t wait to get their hands on the major component uranium. Therefore Australia, being only too willing to help out, through its Department of Trade & External affairs was desirius of selling the stuff on the open market as a quick fix for depleted finances attributed to its recent massive war expenditure. With Herbert ‘Doc’ Evert, the respinsibl minister at its helm, two particular customers were soon identified, both former allies in the war and assessed as being eligible for prefered nation privliges. Unfortunately for him, and to his great consternation, in the USA an upstart Democratic senator named McMahon had as recently as 1945 introduced a bill relating to the ‘best practice’ use of atomic energy which Australia was just now about to conform to, and which sought to preclude Doc’s prospective buyers from becoming trustworthy users of our good aussie ore. Now apart from our two lads aforementioned, there were another pair of fairly capable brother-like ex military officers on the scene who though perhaps unknown to the others, were also in the uranium loop and what’s more they had very close ties with the good doctor and his underlings, two bright chaps from Sydney with impeccable knowledge of soviet trade and tradecraft. Notwithstanding, it seems most unlikely that the two teams could ever have gotten their respective heads together for mutually benefitial exploitation of the unacceptable and unfair restrictions niw being imposed upon them; that is if either had taken it upon themselves to arrange for alternate sales/delivery arrangements to the prefered customers. The first couple may have been placed at an initial advantage, in that they had the means to arrange for muletrain delivery to the coastal shipping links and onwards to any destination, whereas our other team would have had to initiate a more compliated plan using aiir transport so as to include certain elements within a particular government structure, DCA in which brother number one was employed as a senior pilot and a landing strip research officer. Whether any deals were ever completed renains a mystery and I for one think it most unlikely due to several areas of incombatabability between the proponents and in actuality it is considered well possible, even likely that competition may have led to certain negative external forces intervening to circumvent the success of both intended covert uranium ore sales transactions. As a postscript to the events described, real or otherwise, Australia commenced exporting uranium to the United Kingdom under the oversight of a new federal government in the early ’50s in compliance with its international obligations. A man named Bob was sacked from his position as unofficial head of the Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation for being too close to certain persons within the former Labour government; and another probable former military officer whose identity remains undisclosed to this day, was found dead at Somerton beach at dawn on the first day of Australias summer season 1948, perhaps the victim of foul play, maybe not. Finally, as a consequence of the international agreements formulated to protect the brave new world from nuclear anhilation, children all over the world were being given the name of its chief proponent, that great man of peace Senator Brien McMahon. A lad born in October of 1947 and christened Robin McMahon Thomson of Adelaide South Australia was one such child, but alas he is now long gone and so it seems only fitting to dedicate this post to his memory. lest we forget.

  477. Byron Deveson on August 5, 2017 at 8:16 am said:

    John, yes, Bob Wake was “Phil’s Friend” of the Petrov inquiry. Wake obviously had a few kangaroo’s loose in the top paddock and Doc Evatt was just as crazy (“Get their names! Get their names!). Evatt had cerebral syphilis and the split of 1955 that did so much damage to the Labour Party was certainly the result of Doc’s paranoia brought about by the neurosyphilis.

  478. milongal on August 5, 2017 at 8:27 am said:

    It occurs to me that the spy theorists seem to think everything is deliberate. Even if some angle of the spy ideas is true, not every detail can possibly be planned – in particular while it might be possible to guess approximate reactions around the time evidence came to light, it is absolutely impossible to foresee how we would interpret it 60 years later – in fact in any cover up there must be some implicit assumption that if certain things are secret for 10 years that’s good enough. Increasingly, a lot of what I read (not necessarily hear) requires people to have had foresight on exactly how the investigation would progress and stall decades later – I and I simply can’t buy that.
    I’m not dismissing the idea he could have been a spy (or similar), but reiterating an ongoing opinion that the fore-planning at best would have been a lustrum or a decade – so any cover up must have had that sort of a timeframe in mind (hashtag just saying)

  479. Milongal: each deliberately placed or contrived item or feature is a step further into the kind of looking-glass world that gave us WMD.

  480. I’m not going to be caught out with theories perse, because mere mention of the word hints of indecision; hypothesis on the other hand can be discussed and debated upon according to their relative merits. I would like to think that my hypos are based on my own personal realstic assesment of the facts; facts from which we might consider and assess the weight of the available evidence as it comes to hand. If I have an intuitive feeling about some detail, I like to get it out there for comment and critique even though at first buff it might sound implausble and so much the better. I also love the distraction of humour which I always assumed might put people in a more relaxed frame of mind when discussing delicate matters that might lead to misunderstanding such can be the case with gender Mirth does not seem to hold much weight in this age of social directness and accompaning lack of willingness to engage in jestive frivilous banter, which I find depressing tl the point of distraction.

  481. milongal on August 6, 2017 at 7:32 am said:

    @NP: Exactly. The more certain we imagine details to be, the more precise our incorrect conclusion (or something?).

    @JS: To me ‘most everything is a hypothesis. Pretty sure I’ve made the point before that even some of the most fundamental ‘facts’ of the SM story (especially his morning in the Adelaide Railway Station) are just a bunch of guesstimates and assumptions built on a whole bunch of flaky evidence which itself is somewhat questionable….
    I sort of get that people think I’m quick to shoot ideas down (and I’ve never offered one of my own), but I suppose my approach is to question whether what is being presented as fact is fact or is just supposition….increasingly, I suspect we’ll never really know the full detail of who SM was and how he came to be lying dead on an irrelevant beach in what is essentially the middle of nowhere….

    Interestingly, 10-15 years ago I expected the opposite – that we would have some certainty about who he was and what he was doing. But I sort of need to add that if he was known to ‘Higher Powers’ then we will never know who he was beyond what we’re allowed to know (I have a rant waiting in that vein which so far I’ve saved you lot from), and if he was more mundane than that, then we lose knowledge of who he was each time someone related tot he case dies….

  482. john sanders on August 6, 2017 at 9:48 am said:

    Not only are we going to name him, we’ll find out what killed him, what he did to deserve ending up dead on time and what’s more, we’ll also catch his assailant(s), be they animal, vegetable or mineral. Hope my optimism is catching because we certainly need some fresh milk stirred into our lumpy pessimistic old uncle toby’s porridge…Now if someone can tell me how certain we are that Jessica wrote verse 70 in the Boxall book please do. If confirmed positively, it would enable me to ease up on a guilty looking suspect that I’ve had in my sights; Not only for the smallish handwriting, but also for the fez girl and if Jessica didn’t do 70, as I suspect, it would be oh so nice. Might also give us a little added momentum which we could certainly do with.

  483. John Sanders: Derek Abbott has seen plenty of her handwriting, and confirms that the verse 70 writing is hers (though he doesn’t know what to make of the “JEstyn” bit). So… back to your lumpy old porridge, you big old stirrer, you. 😉

  484. john sanders on August 6, 2017 at 11:12 am said:

    If Derek is an authority on handwriting, like our other Abbott is an authority on parlaimentary subtleness, then options may still be on our breakfast table..A good dose of All-Bran will probably work out..And in passing, my person of interest could still have done the picture.

  485. bdid1dr on August 7, 2017 at 10:52 pm said:

    If I could convince my sons to take the the DNA tests, they would be the final proof of what I have been telling you, for years now. Both of my sons had the same father. You can’t ask for anything more. Now that DNA has been done on the long-dead so-called Somerton Man, SOMEBODY of your correspondents should be able to get a full readout/discussion (besides the thoroughly boring reference to Thomas Jefferson).

    bd

  486. john sanders on August 8, 2017 at 2:25 am said:

    Bdid1dr: Yup, T.J. the great fondling father, how could you wish it on anyone, black (specially), white or brindle to be related to the swine. What did his illegally constitued so called Delaration of Independence do for folks like native Americans. Right yair, send out a couple of freshly promoted soldier camp followers like Lewis and Clarke (marcus) to make trick-or-treaties with The Nations. Then teach em how to use a daisy air rifle, then invite the heathens back to the whisky tango swamp camp called Wishington for a pow wow and make ratification formal. Course most of the redskin chiefs went and got themselves scalped before they crossed the Missouri and as for poor Lewis, the proposer and co signatoree, he somehow, and quite uncharacteristically, managed to blow his brains out just before the party. So much for the treaty sez Tom; “Well I Tried!”. Rest assured Bids Tom Jefferson would not share anything with a true gent like SM who may yet prove to be a Shakelford; Also we must not forget for a second, a probable relative of your own ex hubby Lee the Zodiac Killer.

  487. john sanders on August 8, 2017 at 3:04 am said:

    whoops, I meant ‘ Illegally constituted………Declaration of Injuneered Dependance’ silly ol’ me.

  488. Bdid1dr: I’m sure most of we (the few) are sympathetic to your claims, however you must be cognizant of the dead ends that Nick, Misca anors. came up with right from the outset, dead ends that don’t back your input claims. Are we not seeing some aspect of the case that defies reasonable fact based logic. You must tell where we’re going wrong. So please help us to help you get to the bottom of your family dilemma and to provide some degree of closure (hate that word).

  489. john sanders on August 8, 2017 at 1:45 pm said:

    An upgrading of the Rum Jungle spurline was commenced in early 1948 to facilitate the proposed new uranium mine exploitation. The area had during the late war had a US and RAAF air strip there. The rail link seems to have been most intuitive considering that the discovery of the ore site was apparently not made until 1949 (1948 by some accounts). Alf and his brother Dave went to work on the line as fettlers about February but did not stay until completion towards the end of the year. Perhaps they went south to Adelaide in late ’48 for the airshow but who knows. Dave later moved to New Guinea and Alf settled in Cairns where he took up flying, dabbled in his hobby of electrical wiring and did locum work in his qualified profession of Pharmaceutical dispenser. He alo wrote the odd novel in hís spare time. Just so you know.

  490. bdid1dr on August 9, 2017 at 3:13 am said:

    The missing ‘backup’ to my claims, goes way back to the Zodiac Killer’s mother. Her sister came to the US, on the same boat. The sister married a John Murray, who lived ‘just around’ the other side of Mount Tamalpais. So, I’ll leave it up to you to claim an identification of the Zodiac Killer.
    You MAY be allowed into the California State Police archives. We’ll see !

    bd

  491. bdid1dr on August 9, 2017 at 3:35 am said:

    And NO, it was not Preston Shackelford. Howsomever, Preston Shackelford (the car thief who drove like the madman (no headlights and 40 or 50 mph through all of the neighborhoods on Mount Tam and surrounding towns) did kill his younger brother Mark. Mark was walking on his way home from the nearby Junior College, when he was killed by an “unknown” car driver. ummm-hmmmm.

    The local newspaper (The Record-Bee) can tell you a whole lot more. My mother was working for the local Judge when ‘what’s her name and the Black Panthers invaded his court room and held him hostage.
    I was working for the Postal Service Headquarters in San Francisco, when the Panthers tortured my boss’ identical twin brother (San Francisco Police Officer) before killing him.

    Old song: “Those Were the Days My Friends” . Yeah, like hell they were !

    bd

  492. Bd: And what ever became of Aileen’s husband John Murray. Is it possible that his features were like SM’s. We know that Eileen had children after 1948 and so we will assume John was the dad; anyhow just like your father-in-law Bill and that silly old fake George Taylor, he was far too young to have been our man. Any more clues or thoughts on the matter and we’ll get on the case youbetcha hon.

  493. bdid1dr on August 9, 2017 at 3:12 pm said:

    The “Zodiac ” murders began at Lake Herman. Lake Herman was most-often visited by Lee Erwin Shackelford (Preston Shackelford’s brother) and Lee Erwin’s best friend Kenny Burns IByrnes?) I’ve posted this information before — —.so, I’ll crawl back into my parents very interesting life story : “Adventures in Purifying Uranium”. Also of interest to me, anyway, was the use of nuclear waste products to supposedly shrink my tonsils and adenoids (within a year of my birth). I was also exposed to Co-60.

    So, maybe I’ll start signing off as “Nuclear Woman” ….. “NW” — just to add a little confusion without lying even one bit !
    NW-Bdid 1-dr

  494. john sanders on August 9, 2017 at 11:10 pm said:

    Bd: The available information suggests Herman. Didn’t your m-i-l Noele bring lee back to see the grandparents in 1958 aboard the old Orsova. I think old man Park was working with AAEC Lucas Heights then, would that be right. That’s a coupla years before your own folks the Milllers came over to Sydney on the Oriana and visited our famous Zoo at Taronga Park, across the way from Millers Point. Mum was working with San Raph. newspaper and dad had just retired from his tuition work at SQ, would that be about right? We know all that honey, but you must try and follow with the SM line of inquiry. Do you have anything at all in your vast personal memory bank that might help us get further along with our related work because quite frankly the state of your adenoids are not particularly relevent to the import investigations at this point.

  495. john sanders on August 10, 2017 at 4:16 am said:

    For the sake of easy access I’ll park this one here and risk offending the ghost of Joan Fonteyn. It does seem that an RAAF LAC named Donald David Thomson was most likely a patient at 115 Hiedelberg in September ’42 at the same time as his namesake Prosper. We are aware that his service details are not recognized as such, for he comes up as a casevac on 9/9/42 to Nhills (RAAF Sale). A secret file is still current for a person of that name which is most peculiar because it allegedly supports a wartime incident, though it was not created until the mid seventies. This is initself highly suspicious so it probably means an internal cover up, if only we could ascertain whence oyr lad was evacuated and why. I’m reasonably sure that this is the person refered to in the Fonteyne post and not the commie or the anthropologist. I happen to recall that in the mid seventies there was a deep cover operation in Sydney involving a principal named Thomson who had a long history (going back to the fifties see Jim Cavenagh) of similar cunning stunts, along with his accomplice Ron Bankton and they were on this occasion allegedly conspiring to obtain arms for FUNCIPEC. Then we have an associated group of old 2/2 nd. Commandos out of Timor Lesse setting up shop in Darwin with some Dilli expats to take up their cudgells against a hundred thousand well led Indonesian Special Ops. forces. That might be what the hullabaloo was all about; our post informant Joan, Ruth whatever certainly knew something which we couldn’t have known, which means that he/she, apart from beibg well connected, might well have been on about the SM case. It may also be possible that we have ourselves an audience and we coukd certainly use their professional skills, perhaps also a little stipend for our discretion.

  496. john sanders on August 10, 2017 at 6:32 am said:

    Margaret Hookham did in passing make mention of the fact that DD Thomson was Alf Boxall’s boss, though at what point we don’t know. For instance over at 12 small ships his direct superior was David Herbert who had also been his company commander over at NCOU. Later they both worked in New Guinea as war surplus dealers but not on the same team. Now if we look at the bigger picture, the big boss at Nackaroos was Bill Stanner who was in private life Dr. William Stanner &c. Anthroplogogist who specialised in all things Aboriginal. Now we come to Dr. Donald F. Thomson &c. Anthropologist who also specialised in all things Aboriginal He was an RAAF officer who apparently worked up north with the likes of Naval Lt Paymaster and code man Zelman Cowen. Unfortunatately Sqdn Ldr. Thomson doesn’t rate a mention over at Natarchs, apart from about a million pages on him as a civilian up Arnhem Land way in the ’30s as Doctor Thomson.

  497. john sanders on August 11, 2017 at 1:20 am said:

    Funcipec (Cambodia) Fretlin (Timor Lesse) s.a.b.

  498. john sanders on August 13, 2017 at 3:06 pm said:

    If it’s at all possible that there is some record available at the Loveday Internment Camp museum, someone might like to see if we can connect the suitcase clothing laundry marks for a possible match. The particular barracks is 14B and from what I can understand the inmates were probably mostly Japanese with the laundry set up run by someone with years of pre wartime experience. Certainly capable of handling plenty of business, civil and military.

  499. john sanders on August 13, 2017 at 11:19 pm said:

    A young police constable, in 1941 co authored a rather unflattering report concerning a most unsavory character named Alfred Francis Herbert in Sydney, referring to his anti nationalist leanings, his having contracted venereal disease fom half castes in NT and his having married a jewess. His name was George Marshall. We note that a young investigator with the Prices Commission of that name was found dead from an apparent OD of barbs. in a bushland park at Mosman in 1945. I think that it’s most likely mere coincidence, but it’s nonetheless worth the mention that Alf Herbert, a qualified dispensing pharmacist, was himself living in Mosman with his jewess at that time.

  500. I think it is a coincidence but, as always, wow. There was a George Francis Gell Marshall who was a police constable from Sydney and it’s most likely that he was the co-author of said document. Alfred is an interesting character…

  501. john sanders on August 14, 2017 at 11:00 pm said:

    Misca: ……”A ratbag spends five minutes every morning transfering virginia blend cigarettes into an old menthol pack to save an expensive round”. Same feller Alf, though much later, 14/4/79 SMH page 11 and probably co-incidental as well.

  502. john sanders on August 15, 2017 at 7:50 am said:

    Alf was a prolific letter writer and always in pencil, mainly to his wife and aĺways sent a card on her birthdays 3/12 if away. He was not known to wear sox, was a horseman from a young age “but I loathed bloody nags” and mostly liked neat though casual attire like shortsleaved flap pocket tropical shirts with casual unbelted slacks. He loved messing with electrical devices, was known to be a Nipponofile, was most likely a good mate of Alf Boxall from their service together in Nackaroos, then later when Boxall and his brother Dave were posted to Small Ships in Sydney, was a registered chemist and dispensary pharmacist usually undertaking locum work while travelling from state to state and most probably owned a Hillman (Minx?). Alf was known to be a crank, a narcissist and probably a dangerous fellow to be on the wrong side of; perhaps he was also a vengefull type. In 1964 he received correspondence from a Bridie Keane (letter open to be read) and records show that a Bridie and Tom Keane were married Gallway in 1912.

  503. john sanders on August 19, 2017 at 4:38 am said:

    Something quite strange was going down at Darwin Hospital in the early evening of 4/1/1934 and once again we have the opportunity of linking our man Alfred Francis Xavier Herbert to an unexplained drug related death. On this occasion the government chemist was found on the floor of his dispensary by the hospital cook in some distress. A sister who had earlier been speaking with the victim, attended and found him to be comatose with a syringe lying beside him, thereby calling for the doctor who attended, declaring the unfortune fellow to be deceased fifteen minutes later. At the later inquest police produced a variety of drugs from the victims suitcase which led the coroner to declare accidental death by occasion of misadventure. Injected Chlorotone had apparently been the C of D. and it was suspected as a cobsequence that the victim may have been a drug user as opiates and cocain were said to have also been in his possession along with another syringe. Sounds pretty straight forward perhaps, but for a couple of things including that Percy Williams the dead dispenser had been Alf’s replacement in 1930 when he resigned to take up a similar post in The Solomons. He didn’t last long there and after being dismissed went off to England for a couple of years where he wrote his epic saga Capricornia. Then as luck would have it, on his return to Darwin around the time of Percy’s sad demise, he was thus able to slot straight back into his old job as government apocetharist and dispenser which he retained until the outbreak if ww2. Some years later one of the witnesses at the inquest Tom Savas had dealings with Herbert in Sydney when the latter was on the run from the authorities for alleged subversion and fraternising with enemy agents. He avoided arrest due to his, by now international standing as an author, but he must have then decided to enlist just to be in the safe side and to display his sense of patriotic fervor. This is just one episode in a number of similar staged murder/ suicide incidents where Alf was either known to be in the general vicinity or else reasonably suspected of being closeby ie. two in Sydney two in Adelaide and maybe others yet to be disclosed.

  504. Have there been any links to Christchurch in New Zealand?. I think I know where he was working in 1947.

  505. Emma: as far as I know, the Somerton Man’s only link with New Zealand would seem to be the Rubaiyat. This may not sound like much, but precious little links him to anywhere.

    If you have anything you want looked at in confidence before announcing it more loudly, feel free to send it through to me – nickpelling at nickpelling dot com.

  506. john sanders on August 20, 2017 at 5:30 am said:

    Emma: There is absolutely no evidence mentioned thus far, that would indeed categorically link Somerton Man, the one most of us know of, with Christchurch NZ or any other place during his mortal existence for that matter. I note that Nick’s mention of the Rubaiyat (Courage & Friendship W.T. Christchurch ?), is cunningly accompanied by the misleading ‘seem’ qualification, which you might be best advised to take with the proverbial g.o.s. However, I for one would not be at all surprised if SM was found to have been working in or knocking around down around Christchurch, or perhaps even a little further south in ’47, just a year or so prior to his appointment with the undertaker in Adelaide.

  507. john sanders on August 20, 2017 at 7:48 am said:

    I’ve just been looking over the Marsall inquest papers for the first time which is somewhat remiss of me I’ll concede. Two things that stood out immediately were tge positioning of his body with the head and shoulders resting on a rock ala SM. Then something I thought a little odd is that he did not appear to have had any of the usual smoker’s paraphernalia with him at the time of his demise ala Gordon’s Tibor Kuldic. Sure enough he had been out in the weather for awhile but it is hardly likely that his ever present briar pipe would have been taken by animals or blown away. In previous similar well prepared relaxed form suicides known to me, the offee has usually enjoyed a good smoke whilst awaiting the juice to kick in. There was no mention of this instrument in the search of his premises either, nor any writing materials which I’m thinking quite odd, actually suspiciously odd in my opinion. At least Tibor composed a very well written apologetic letter of departure, particularly well composed for a person mostly familiar with a high German dialect.

  508. john sanders on August 20, 2017 at 11:18 am said:

    I’d imagine that the reason that the June ’49 inquest wasn’t reconvened with the sensational discovery of two Rubaiyat copies, is that W & C publishers of the courage & friendship series in Christchurch were quite adament that the books were not likely to have come from their press; Thereby putting a halt to further police leads followed by an unevenful 10 year hiatus. The ’58 inquest would have been merely to placate calls for new investigations following information coming forward from the likes of E.B. Collins and Ina Harvey. Of course nothing came of either lead and once again the book(s) may well not have existed; then to put an end to the matter, I understand that the senior investigator got himself a better job in Canberra.

  509. john sanders on August 20, 2017 at 1:42 pm said:

    For the uninitiated, Whitcombe & Tombs were (are) a Kiwi publishing and printing company specialising in educational books. They also had offices in Australia from the late 19th century and accompanying offset press facilities in Prahan Victoria. The other mob mistakenly called W & C in my previous post were involved mainly with water closets & the like.

  510. John Sanders: the police knew very quickly that it was a Whitcombe & Tombs Rubaiyat, as did the media (though calling it “Tasmun Shud” was a bit of a facepalm, *sigh*):

    Melbourne Argus, 27th July 1949, p.3:

    Police are anxious to locate another copy similar to the one they have, to check the particular type used to print the words “Tasmun [sic] Shud.” The edition required was published in New Zealand by Whitcombe and Tombs.

  511. john sanders on August 20, 2017 at 11:31 pm said:

    NP: The mere fact that the books had many features identical to those of Whitcombe & Tombs, as we all well know by now, there were some particular differences, I think to do with their font size and paper quality plus a disimilarity in one aspect of the Tamam Shud sign off setting (1st/2nd editions). That is why the original investigator Len Brown and latter day follow ups were unable to obtain affirmation of responsibility from the nominal publisher ie. W & C. If I’m wrong, I’ts only because I’ve relied, perhaps too much, on information obtained from the SM sites.

  512. john sanders on August 21, 2017 at 4:08 am said:

    I was led to believe that the handed in Rubaiyats were either 1/75 or 2/110, the former ending with Tamam Shud or Finis (take your pick), or Tamam (neat) for the latter. The Advertiser mentioned second edition whilst both this blog and G.F. have it as being the first so there is obviously some degree of ambiguity. Not withstanding, it still remains a fact that no less than three experienced officers of the court affirmed in their written/verbal testimonies that the TS slip bore the letters TAMAN SHUD and of that there can be no doubt. Oh but some will say it was just an honest mistake, a mere oversight; and I say not on your nelly; The taking down of formal statements, along with oral affirmation of same comes with built in safeguards to insure that such potentially game changing errors do not occur. Forget about those misleading clips of the TS slip, they were most likely printed by the ream for the two Adelaide daylies and to my knowledge we have not seen any confirmed re-print of the John Cleland original.

  513. There are at least two people related to this case who had clear connections to Christchurch New Zealand. Bartlett Adamson and Walter Seddon Clayton. Adamson actually worked for Whitcombe and Tombs Ltd. there for a time and was very well versed in the printing industry. He frequented Pakie’s. He knew Clayton. He also knew Ada Frances Scott. They travelled in the same circles and sometimes wrote for the same publications. Bartlett quoted the Rubaiyat in one of his published articles. I pursued these connections a while back and while they exist and seem significant, they didn’t lead me to SM’s identity. Perhaps they will help someone else in their research?

  514. john sanders on August 22, 2017 at 7:46 am said:

    1945, Xavier & Sadie Herbert, David & Phillis Herbert, Jimmy & Joy Hawkins, Helmut Hendon; All appeared to be living close to the water at Mosman on the north side of Sydney Harbour, Bob Wake arrived in ’48. Directly across the way by boat at Potts Point lived George Marshall alone but he didn’t own a boat, and had no business in Mosman worth dieing for anyway. Some might dare to suggest that he was lured there from his mean lodgings, so he could have taken a taxi, train/tram or ferry across to Cremorne or Mosman for the deadly liason, there being a ferry wharf down the bottom of Musgrave St. in those days. Though, perhaps its more likely, he was delivered dead to his seaside rock ledge directly in a smaller private craft, ala Somerton Man three years later, perhaps?.

  515. john sanders on August 22, 2017 at 2:38 pm said:

    Misca: What is Emma trying to tell us and who do you think she/he could she be nominating for SM. This being a forum for open discussion, one would think that she/he might have been a little more forthright, and quite frankly our moderator’s response was not helpful. Adamson & Scott don’t seem to be players of any consequence apart from possible connection to the Pakie scene; So were people like John Willie, Holly Farah, Xavier Herbert and a hundred other commie appologists, whaco non-confomists, war artists, angry penguins and the like, all marxist wannabees but so what, we’re talking 1948. My own list would include people with names like Cohen, Solomon, Wilson (sic), Morris (sic) and of course our old mate Slavinsky. So how do nutters like A & S fit in, pray tell and I’m not being intentially facecious., Misca, you are still the best by far when it comes to intinuative , logical, human factor understanding, so please maintain the initiative and rage. We need you for the leads.

  516. john sanders on August 23, 2017 at 4:17 am said:

    It seems that since my post of 20th inst. George Marshall’s inquest papers have gone off line, but no matter. Most people who have followed the case closely might well assume that he died broke and possibly intestate, but that is certainly not the case. When he fled to Australia with his family in ’41, he had substantial high-end property holdings in Singapore, two outright and two in half partnership with a Jewish woman named Menaham. When he went missing on 20/5/45 The Imperial Japanese Army still claimed ownership of said properties but in September at the war’s end the titles were passed back into his estate. When George’s brother gave evidence to the inquest in August, he was able to cunningly convince the coroner that brother was off his rocker, that he had had a long held deathwish and that his passing did not come as any shock to those who dearly loved and missed him. One must wonder thus why his poor faithful little friend of four plus years, Gwen Graham apparently wasn’t aware of George’s front lobal infirmity, and of course she became a statistic shortly thereafter (just in case). So who was set to benefit from his sad demise, presumably only the Marshall family which would have included his father and numerous surviving siblings, with the exception of older brother David (Mr. Big Daddy Baghdadi), who was still interned in Japan at the T.O.D. and presumablyb not complicit. Just a couple of interesting related snippets to ponder perhaps. Mrs. Menaham may have been the mother or aunt of George and Mirmovitch who joined the AIF in 2/42 from Perth and who subsequently was KIA in New Guinea just a day or so prior to George Marshall being first reported missing. It also seems that George himself was in Singapore late ’41 to settle an insurance claim and to satisfy other property related business prior to the eanticipated oncoming Nippon Sunam; He also probably purchased two pair of bespoke shoes to last him through the coming occupation years (obviously no hintbof suicudal tendencies there). Coincidentslly in Singapore at about the same time was Big Bob Wake who flew in there by Qantas to dismantle a listening post at RAF Tanglin for the same reasons. It has been suggested that crooked George Taylor was also there with intentions of taking the Jap sunami head on, but there is some degree of doubt regarding his related claims and no medals were awarded, same same Alf Boxall and the brothers Herbert.

  517. Um Nick. This is the most ridiculously long thread ever. I know I’m a guest and I don’t want to be disrespectful but, as I’ve tried to communicate before, research would most definitely benefit with a bit of organization. Perhaps a sub-forum with some sub-topics? Is that possible within the framework of your site? Isn’t there anything possible in order to have a more organized “conversation”????

  518. John – I have no idea what Emma is trying to tell us or who she might be nominating for SM. So far as I can see, nothing.

  519. Adamson and Scott might well be players of consequence. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Jessica was part of the EYL and both of these characters were also a part of that movement at the right time and place as she. My hunch is that she most likely knew both and their connection to Whitcombe and Tombs and Clayton are not insignificant. I am convinced that Ada Frances Scott is a key player.

  520. Fun Fact – Ada had connections to Marrickville and her father was jewish!

  521. Misca: the problem is that on a blog, the conversation chooses the thread, not the other way round. As far as the Somerton Man goes, the real problem is that there isn’t a half-decent research forum around – but considering the kind of nonsense that gets passed off as Somerton Man research, perhaps that’s largely inevitable. :-/

  522. Couldn’t we at least have a search mechanism on here? If one clicks on the TS/SM tag above at the top of your site…This is the only thread that shows up???

  523. The conversation does not choose the thread here. One can’t find the threads!

  524. john sanders on August 27, 2017 at 8:51 am said:

    NP: Cutting and running, at first bluff would seem to mean a totally wasted effort and a poor return for a fairly decent input on your part, not forgetting your undeniable spirit of fairness. However, as there now seems little chance of personal vindication for any of your many and varied hypothosis’, you are probably making a wise career move. Tell you what, skip down to sunny Brighton for a week on the beach; let ‘K’ hold the fort and give it some thought. Don’t forget to wear a hat and watch out for the dreaded blue ringed octopii.

  525. John: I haven’t gone anywhere, I’m just thinking aloud about why blogging isn’t quite working for me any more, and exploring the issue a little more than might be comfortable. Which is what blogging should be about, right?

  526. milongal on September 21, 2017 at 11:26 pm said:

    ok, I found Leane’s syringe reference. Littlemore’s documentary file #2. Page 61 (interview with Leane, crossed out):
    “I think….he suicided, because back about 100 yards from where he was sitting on the seat, I found a hypodermic syringe.”
    He later refers to the syringe again (And insists HQ should have it).

    According to the papers, Leane didn’t join the case until about 8th Jan – over a month after the event. So even if he attended the scene at that time, and even if he found a syringe at that time, it would be hard to make a case that it was related to the case – especially with summer and new-year activity at the beach in the interim….

  527. john sanders on September 22, 2017 at 1:52 am said:

    The Alma Plains, Owen, Henley Bridge and Balaklava are under seige. The defences of Port Wakefield have been breached by the Monravia, with the heathen Harkness clan breeding with gay abandon. Only the Collins, McIntyres and Feltus remnants are in place to stem the encroaching tidal wave and it seems that the warning pen will go unharkened once more. While we await a possible game saving long promised Keith Mangnoson follow-up thread, of which the above localities were once the family’s domain, war clouds gather and the red flags are unfurling over all. Should it have come to pass that Helmut Hendon and Sister Jessie Harkness have joined forces under a single banner, a consequence of their recent heroic efforts in Spain’s petty internal rift, nothing will stop them and the lights along the Sea Wall of Adelaide’s Somerton Beach may be extinguished for all time. (I ain’t from Russia by the way).

  528. john sanders on September 22, 2017 at 4:23 am said:

    Ekaterina: I’m thinking that your interest in this case connects from the place name derivitives of towns having Crimean origins in Australia, particularly those in an area north of Adelaide out from Port Wakfield; Perhaps you are from the disputed city of Sevastopol, name of which is also represented in both Sth. Australia and Victoria. Should you be so inclined, feel free to visit this site and give us the wisdom of your most intinuituve observations outlined on the blogspot site, which are most enlightening, perhaps even ‘game changing’. Being from ‘Russia’, you might also be able to assist with formal identification of the so called Somerton Man, whom our associates Clive, Pete and Gordon firmly believe to have been a fellow countryman of yours with the common sounding name of Pavel Ivanovich Fedosimov. Features of the pair are said to be quite unarguably the same, the enormous height discrepency being attributed of course to the usual effects of post-mortem shrinkage, which is unfairly still disputed by some our less knowledgeable contributors.

  529. Hi Nick,
    I used to follow this page everyday, then got busy with a new job and various other things and time passed…now everything seems to have changed. Did the pages/discussions have a rearrangement, or is it just the new fangled technology I’m viewing it on that’s hiding things?

    Thanks

  530. Kbnz: I changed the layout theme to make it a bit more mobile-friendly, converted 75% of the categories into tags, removed the image link to “The Curse of the Voynich” (because I’ve stopped selling it)… but everything else is basically the same. 🙂

  531. JS, et al; OK, I’ll bite. Who, pray tell, was Pavel Ivanovich Fedosimov?

  532. john sanders on September 22, 2017 at 10:37 pm said:

    Bumpkin: type up ‘tamam shud pavel fedosimov’ & there you go. Give my best to GF and tge shock troops.

  533. milongal: I’ve long suspected that Leane was talking out of his lower rear mouth when he mentioned the syringe, but how to prove it?

  534. Ask a simple question get a nonsense answer. Nick, regarding Fedosimov, what say you?

  535. Nick – It’s proven by the fact that he claims HE found it and he came onto the case quite a bit after SM was found.

  536. Sanders – I’m getting bored. Lets get back to business.

  537. Bumpkin: if there’s anything that genuinely connects Fedosimov to the Somerton Man, I haven’t seen it. Same for Tibor Kaldor and for microwriting, etc.

  538. Misca: yes, it certainly proves Leane was talking out of his arse. But why he conjured up a syringe at all still makes no sense to me. 🙁

  539. Why would it make no sense? They had found no evidence of a known poison that could have been taken orally. They were even discussing the possibility of a blow dart. A syringe would make sense.

  540. Misca: errm… I meant it would make no sense for Leane to be conjuring up an imaginary syringe nearly thirty years later. As far as I can recall, there was no mention of a syringe any time before the documentary, despite all the other fevered stuff that has been projected onto the whole affair.

  541. john sanders on September 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm said:

    Abrasions between the knuckles. Perfect mask for a hypo entry point.

  542. john sanders on September 24, 2017 at 11:31 pm said:

    We might also take into serious consideration, that when Leane brought up his old memories of finding the syringe, he also spoke about SM having been sitting on the wooden park seat which was located on a raised level to the left of the stairs. This was where young ex seaman Strapps and his girl Olive had been given some opportunity to observe their subject, who at the time was in his final resting place on the other side of the stairs. We must therefore wonder who might have given this information to police and also consider that Sgt. Leane’s first visit to the scene may not have been until sometime after the main event and therefore repairs to the broken stairway may well have been completed during the interim period. I would encourage anyone still interested to closely examine a good copy of the original file photo and in paricular the vertical slats on the stairway, which I see as being plywood form work laid in preparation for a concrete pour. Also note the dislodged railings on the right just above where X marks the spot.

  543. Nick: erm…Really, what’s so strange about it? The possibility of a poison/medication that could cause death was injected was much discussed at the inquest. So, if Leane, as an older guy threw it out “there” given things he’d seen – such as a syringe or two here and there (to Littlemore) …Why is it so strange? What are you suggesting?

    I don’t think that there was any such evidence found by Leane (he came in too late) at the SM site. So, that’s why I say it’s unlikely that there was a syringe found near SM at the time of his death. However, the insinuated suggestion that there could have been one is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

    Do you have a reason to think that this is particularly important? Why focus in on this bit of a statement?

    (Many an old man have been known to spin a version of their own yarn…)

    Erm.

  544. john sanders on September 25, 2017 at 7:24 am said:

    Misca: As far as I can tell from my notes, the assumption that JH/T was part of the Harkness/Lee family only came about through it having been affirmed by Gerry in his bible. There was also apparently a 1982 Ellen Harkness death announcement where her kids were listed with ages included like Thomas Lawson 64, Edmund James 62, Jessica Ellen 62, Jean Moyr 59 and Ellen Mary 54. We also believe the boys were born in Vic. and the girls in NSW with only Jessica specifically at Marrickville. I think old mum must also have come from there going by info. on the marriage docs. ie. Princes St. Sydney (sic) (Sydenham) which converts to Princes Hwy. or Old Illawarra Rd., Marrickville according to my conversion. Perhaps Byron can provide better information after he rests up a bit from his epic piece on old Charles Mikkelsen Mk. 1 & 2 possibly which is still facinating stuff.

  545. john sanders on September 25, 2017 at 7:44 am said:

    Misca: No great rush at this place. Some time in mid 48 Percy Sillitoe MI6 and his MI5 counterpart went to Australia for the first of two visits re the Ottawa Venona briefing. I’d like to find details of their outward travel itineray more precisely whether it was an ANA flight out of San Francisco via Honolulu to Melbourne and whether a V. Lewis of I.BM. might have accompanied them. Any confirmation and I’ll give you the full details.

  546. john sanders on September 25, 2017 at 1:43 pm said:

    Misca: Actually the name on the incoming passenger list is Baiben Louis (sic?) but with my non member status on Ancestry UK I’m not entitled to a full search of complete information. What I do have on this guy has possible ramifications way beyond my modest credentials, both with regard to his known and documented connections to the very highest levels of 30s to 60s? political influence in Australia. Born in Meningie S.A. 1897, to a then not so well off but undoubted and immaculately credentialled Jewish family (Solomon). He started out in show business and seems to have spent most of his early to mid adult life overseas and had a stint in the British navy with his ‘pinkish’ mates during the war, before going over to the big league at IBM as a mechanical accounts consultant. He is connected in various ways to some of our very good friends on the SM site and in his formative years lived with very influential relatives as they moved between homes in Partridge and Pier Streets, then most likely to a more palatial ‘residence’ on Glenelg’s Sea Wall (South Terrace). I have made mention of this shadowy figure previously but perked no interest, not unsurprisingly I might add and I have since made contact with interesting well placed relatives who knew him as ‘pop’ and that he passed on in 1982 at Fitzroy Vic.

  547. john sanders on September 25, 2017 at 2:45 pm said:

    Having pawed through the Australian peerage records looking for Sir John Brookman, nothing comes up, so the lady from Cheltenham who gave us information on Charles Mikkelsen employment as a gardener with the knight is sadly unaccountable. A Sir George of that name was a very famous figure in Australias gold mining history (Coolgardie W A) but alas he passed on in 1927, some five years to early. He did have a much younger half brother John who lived in Meningie S.A. but it is most unlikely that he would have retained a gardener in that arid zone. On another related matter, there can be little doubt that old Dr J.R. Nimmo, very experienced surgeon that he was, removed an appendix from someone who presented as seaman Charles Mikkelsen at Torres Straights Hospital, Thursday Is. He stated that the patient presented to him with appendicitis, which even in these times, would not give much cause to risk taking chance on a potentially life threatening rupture. The man Dr. Dwyer saw on the slab in Adelaide nine years later did not have the five inch incision scar so that seems to at least settle the Mikkelsen Mk. 1 question.

  548. Nick – Thx. : )

    There are three trips showing for him.

    11 April 1948 – He took Australian National Airways from Melbourne to San Francisco (with note attached “Honolulu 12 April, 1948”). His passport and visa for the trip had been issued 1 February, 1948.

    May 20, 1948 – He flew back on British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines from San Francisco to Sydney on flight 111/5. He used the same passport.

    The third listing is quite confusing to me in that from outside appearance it shows a separate trip taken September 13, 1947 but when you open it up, it’s the same trip as the manifest I listed for April. I’m quite sure this an incorrect transcription by someone at ancestry.

    These are the only two trips I can find for him but that doesn’t mean that there weren’t many more. The travel documentation on the site can be quite spotty. I’ll keep rummaging around.

  549. milongal on September 25, 2017 at 9:22 pm said:

    @Bump[kin: Gordon (tamashud.blogspot) claims that SM is Pavel Ivanovic Fedosimov. As far as I can see, PIF was alive 2 decades later (and representing the USSR at nuclear conferences), but GC inists that’s because it’s such a common name that the one alive later must be someone else. While I grant that Pavel Ivanovic is certainly a common first/second name combination in Russia, Fedosimov/Fedosymov/Fedosimoff is much rarer – and I find it rather curious if this name is so common that we can only find references to 2 (if you believe him), both of whom were apparently Russian diplomats working in Nuclear fields….

    In my view, PI Fedosimov is almost certainly not SM. In GC’s view, SM is definitively PI Fedosimov – and any evidence to the contrary is just coincidence. Of course, he has a background as a professional investigator…

  550. My original comment on the whole Harry Gold discussion was as follows:

    “A couple of interesting things…There is an FBI file (on their website) “Anatoli Yakovlev Part 1 of 20). In that file, Harry Gold describes Anatoli’s own walk as a “MINCY but not effeminate” walk. If you look it up…it means to walk as if wearing an invisible pair of high shoes. So, his own handler had an unusual walk as well…”

    I speculated that this person could have been Yacob Lomakin who I still think looks a bit like SM. He was forced to leave the US in August of 1948. I don’t want to harp on about it as it’s most likely that he’s not SM but I wanted to clarify my thoughts on the matter.

  551. john sanders on September 26, 2017 at 5:04 am said:

    Celestine: Sorry about that, I should have let the et als handle it in the first instance. Stand out Russian names are listed under ‘Soviet spy theories’ over here and as you will eagerly attest, Intellegence is not my forte. I’ll just say that Pavel’s alleged, almost mirror like comparison to our man on the slab by some, is hotly contested by others who see only a Slav head on a longish frame with funny dentures.

  552. john sanders on September 26, 2017 at 7:29 am said:

    Australia National Airways did not have status as a commercial overseas operator and one might therefore assume that Ben Louis was on a government chartered flight on trade or finance related business for the Chiffley Administration, though whether that was to be conducted in the USA, Canada or elswhere, we are not to know. I was more interested in whether or not his travelling companions might have included Sillitoe and Hollis, in which case his S.A. connections with the likes of Clyde Cameron and James O’Callahan and other leftist stallwarts could have pointed towards a nefarious joint undertaking. He was by vocation a CPA and wrote books over a thirty year period on mechanical book keeping with an unamed wiki biographer listing his lifetime occupations as a well refarded lyricist song writer, author, magistrate, naval officer, merchant mariner and non specified government man.

  553. milongal on September 26, 2017 at 9:35 pm said:

    It’s also worth noting that there is only 1 known picture of Fed – so it’s hard to be certain to make any comparison.

    On the historicimages website there’s quite a few of Yakov (Yakob/Jakob) Lomakin – and you quickly realise different angles, different attire (hat) and even cigarette really affect how he looks (in one of them he even sort of looks similar to the Fed picture). There’s also an interesting one of him dismissing reporters – where his wrist looks a bit limp…

  554. john sanders on September 28, 2017 at 6:17 am said:

    I’ll be flying blind a little, so before plowing in with one of my pet contentions I’m prepared to cheerfully stand corrected. SM’s given height of 5′ 11″ was a first estimation that the press put out on day one by we know not whom. Big Jack Cleland obviously viewed the body soon after arrival and in his notes to the Coroner, he remarked on many physical attributes of his patient from an expert’s anthropologistic point of view, but supprisingly only gave an annotion of ‘to be advised’ with regard to height. By that stage he had already examined the clothing, tried some of it on for size in the company if James Cowan, the govt. analyst and they shared the view that the wearer was perhaps a little longer in the body and limbs than they were. Neither of these great men were giants by any stretch, which is possibly the reason for Cleland’s tongue in cheek title of ‘Big Jack’. I’m prepared to go out on a limb here and give him no more than 5′ 8″ which is mire tgan he deserves in my estimation. Based on one fairish comparison photo that is of him standing a few feet in front of a woman in high heels, it therefore leads me to the viewpoint that the SM body, was most probably a deal shorter than the non varified given height of 5′ 11″. I note of course that a certain Russian gent has been named as Somerton man, this chap having the physical appearance of someone even much taller than that assigned to our worthy subject. Whilst I’m prepared to accept a slight degree of post mortem shrinkage, I’d once more contend with some confidence derived from field experience, that such diminution would not amount to the extent necessary for such comparison to be asserted realistically, especially in so much as SM’s height having been assessed mere hours after his expiration time estimate. I think you can now breath a sigh of relief Byron, but don’t hold it in too long, I may have some news for you about your old buddy Jock Armstrong providing its still ‘down there in the place’ (Sgt. Leon Leane saying).

  555. @Nick: Somerton Man’s death could be compared with the mysterious death of Ricky McCormick (in St. Louis, Missouri.) Same time era: “tunse” of the stuff being dumpt into the two garbage dumps. Dang those Malinkckrodts !
    bd

  556. Damn General Marshall even more; for taking over an industry which, at first, was intended to be a benign source of power (to replace coal, gasoline, methane…….). It ruined my father’s heart — and caused my premature birth (cleft palate, crossed vision, and an irregular heart-beat.

    beady-eyed wonder

  557. JS – We’ve been through the height discussion before but unfortunately, the information was taken down. For what it’s worth…At the Coronial Inquiry, Leane states “The deceased was 5 feet 11 in tall, well-built, broad-shouldered, square on the shoulders, he had well developed limbs, large hands…”

  558. Byron Deveson on September 28, 2017 at 9:16 pm said:

    John Sanders, I would be interested to see what you might have found regarding George Armstrong. Several years ago I found a newspaper report of a “novelty dance” performer who also appeared to be a circus performer. At various times it has been suggested that SM was a dancer or a circus performer, so the newspaper report mentioning Jock Armstrong caught my eye. Given that Jock Armstrong also appeared to be known to the members of the Returned Services League at Glenelg, Jock (George?) seemed to be a plausible fit for SM and worthy of further investigation.
    Chronicle (Adelaide) 29th November 1934 page 46. “Returned Soldiers League notes. By Gareth Owen.
    …… “Glenelg. The annual social was held on Saturday, November 24, and proved to be one of the most successful since the inception of the branch — no less than 137 members attended and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. ….. a feature of the evening was the speciality dance number by Jock Armstrong, who has just returned from a successful season with Wirth’s Circus. A happy evening concluded with community singing — always popular with the diggers…..” (note for non Australians: diggers = Australian servicemen).
    I have found other newspaper references that might relate to this novelty dancer “Jock” Armstrong.
    Recorder (Port Pirie) 30th October 1940 page 3. “novelty dance” “Mrs G Armstrong” 
    Southern Argus (Port Elliot) 5th July 1928 page 2
    “novelty dances”,  “conducted by Mr G Armstrong” 
    The Register (Adelaide) 6th December 1923 page 10.
    “R G Armstrong of the ship Port Stephens”
    The Register (Adelaide) 19th December 1921 page
    Amateur athletics Victoria.  “…. G. Armstrong 440 yards hurdles” …. This is interesting because I have found a strong statistical connection between the unusual ear structure of SM (cavuum cymba ratio) and sprinting ability.
    Daily Commercial News and Shipping List (Sydney) 8th May 1935 page 1
    “G Armstrong” is mentioned as being a “member of the staff” of Wirth’s circus. 
    Recorder (Port Pirie) 30th October 1940 page 3
    “Mesdames G. Armstrong, L. Frost, and L. Clifford and Miss E. Brighton, all of Adelaide, were guests of Mr. and Mrs. F. Brighton, of Swift street, Pirie West, for the week-end.” Hmm. Port Pirie. That is the port from where lead ore concentrates from the Broken Hill mine were shipped.
    Southern Argus (Port Elliot) 5th July 1928 page 2.
    “novelty dances”  “conducted by Mr G Armstrong” 21st birthday party for Rose Brighton. among the guests were “Mesdames E. N. Stevens, E. E. Leane, H. Yelland, Cummins, L. G. Armstrong, J. L. Sampson, F. Andrews …. L. Frost, and C. Tonkin.” I note that there was a novelty dance and there was a Mrs Leane amongst the guests. Yes, it is Mrs L.G. Armstrong, but perhaps she was a relative of G. Armstrong? I note a C.Tonkin was included in the party. From memory, weren’t the Tonkin family socially and politically prominent at the time?
    There are some Armstrongs listed in the 1939 Commonwealth Electoral Roll. South Australia. Barker Clarendon that might be relevant.
    No:24 Armstrong, George Redshaw. Coromandel Valley, carpenter. Note: two other Armstrongs at Coromandel Valley. Burton Armstrong, mechanic and Thomas Armstrong, a fruit grower. I am reminded that fruit growing crops up several times in general discussion regarding SM.

  559. milongal on September 28, 2017 at 10:26 pm said:

    And 5’11 is still a good 10cm short – and the stuff about high heels, shrinkage and whatever else doesn’t help me dismiss those 10cm.
    Perhaps he used to have a Tintin spike in his hair to add an inch or two….

    For mine, the evidence of a diplomat of the same name existing in the following decades cannot be dismissed as readily as it has been (by my research while Pavel Ivanovich is a common enough Russian monniker, Fedosimov is not such a common surname compared to say Fedor or Federoiv (in fact Fedosimov is a little odd, because as far as I understand both ‘sim’ and ‘ov’ (and the derivative ‘ovic’) mean ‘son of’. So ignoring the ‘son of Ivan’ (which as I say seems common enough), we have ‘Son of Son of Fedor’ – or perhaps ‘Son of Fedorov’ (the ‘sim’ affects the ‘r’, I think). So it is an unusual name, that is not as widespread as claimed (It’s about 430,000th most common surname in the world – and the counter example of ‘There are plenty of Gordon Cramers in the world’ (yes, that was said as an example of ‘rare’ names being repeated) seems to ignore that ‘Cramer’ is about the 8,500th most common surname in the world).
    To me, the likelihood of two Pavel I Fedosimov existing between 1910 (when the first was born) and 1966 (when I lose track of the second) is already unlikely. Couple that with both working in the Public Service, both apparently involved in Nuclear ‘stuff’; both married (Fed1 to Vera Sergeyevna – if I could find that Fed2’s wife had the same name it would be conclusive to me that they are the same) etc the likelihood reduces further.
    Then we look at the years. Fedosimov1 is born in Dec 1910 and Fedosimov2 last represents USSR at the IAEA in 1966 – this sounds like a public service retirement around 55? Fed1 was thought to have been recalled from the US because the Russian leadership feared he might be compromised (while we have a Nuclear arms race). Fed2 publishes a paper (which conveniently I can’t actually find a copy of) to the IAEA basically against Nuclear weapons (so it’s not a big stretch to suggest he was more pacifist than aggressor and this led people to think he might have been a double agent). Fed2 then attends IAEA conferences for the next 10 years in varying capacity.

    Then there’s the US watchlist from 1951 (and a subsequent CIA article that mentions it, from memory) that suggests the US still thought Fed was active after SM’s demise. While some have worked in investigative agencies and are perhaps more qualified to assess/dismiss evidence than I am, I have worked in and with Intelligence Agencies and simply don’t believe Fed could have been on a watchlist if he was dead, unless the US didn’t know or didn’t think he was dead, or have a reason to want someone to think they thought he was alive (which is one helluva stretch, given the watchlist was theoretically secret). And this to me is where the Fed story falls apart. I can cop that there were higher powers pulling strings with the local constabulary. But is it really possible that the US (who had an Embassy in Australia from 1943, and who were the first nation Australia sent representatives to stay in 1940) and who would have been paranoid as F wouldn’t know about what was going on? Who were the powers that be, that would know what was going on, but not share it with Uncle Sam (and how did Uncle Sam not know things were being kept from them). At the very best, the US weren’t certain Fed was SM – but on the balance of all of the other evidence, it would appear that Fed definitely wasn’t.

    Let’s look at it the other way. What makes us think that Fed is SM? He left the US (bound for Russia) 6 months before SM died. Then we can’t find him (not sure whether this is because we can’t read Russian, or whether Russian information simply isn’t as prevalent online as American information). Then there’s the photo of Fedosimov (which some claim bears a resemblance – and it does insofar as any two faces have certain features). You might recall that originally the focus was on Nikolai Vasileivich Nolikov – who people mistakenly thought was Fed, and were already claiming a resemblance. When they realised it was the wrong guy, they decided Fed looks even more like SM…We can’t find a record of Fedosimov ever having been in Australia, but based on 1 picture we can be convinced it’s him?
    While I dismiss the idea of 2 PI Feds as incredibly unlikely, I won’t dismiss it altogether – especially since I have found a Vera Fedosimova who I don’t believe was Fed (or Fed1’s, at least) wife.